I'll start this thread... with some long awaited pictures.

You are looking at the VERY FIRST V5-6000 ever fitted with this heatsink according to the Hankster. It is utter overkill and with the card fully loaded only hits 93-94F.

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album42/v6k_protofan_4.sized.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album42/v6k_protofan_3.sized.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album42/v6k_protofan_5.sized.jpg

I need to make up another backplate with the correct round hole, it is on the to-do list.

Held on with thermal tape and standoffs, room temp is 71F

Thermal tape is required as the board would bow if not attached to center chips.

What does it weight in total now? The card looks twice as heavy as with normal fans!

man this is really amazing Gary and rather extraudinary also! your experiment is a great succes, I am happy to see this , at first it made me think of this:

http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/Rolo01/2004116132921_Voodoo_100.jpg

combined with  top left card's fan layout:

http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/Rolo01/200411522159_6000LOT.jpg

Sorry I posted these pic's again just being precise on my vision ;)

wrote on 20.05.05 at 20:48:07:

What does it weight in total now?

No idea but it is a chunky monkey.

As an aside- The "3700" card the heatsink is attached too is the first V6K that Hank developed the PCI rework on.

WooT!

wow really nice, so is that cooler attached to the ram too?

man everytime I look in this topic, my eyes just roll ::) :o back and forth back and forth :o ::) hehe it looks so beasty the way a Voodoo5 6000 should be :)

and also it's very cool to have it on that Rev.A 3700 card that had Hank's first PCI rework!, that is also very occasional 8)

wrote on 21.05.05 at 00:46:53:

hehe it looks so beasty the way a Voodoo5 6000 should be :)

I agree, it looks VERY beastly, I'm tempted to hang a few heatsinks on the ram chips too.

The heatsink does not come in contact with the ram chips.

omg! great work gary...   ;D

WHEEE! :) :D ;D

V56K lovliness! 8)

Whaaa Zaaa Time to Party it's time for a 3dfx Party, man if just others just could see this, really awersome  8)

Maybe it is good that the ram doesn't make contact with the cooler, otherwise the heat from which is distracted from the 4 VSA-100's will be in the way of the heatflow of the Ram's Heat, and thereon no sufficiant heat releaf.

yeah man that looks like some damn voodoo power  ;D nice card  :D

wrote on 21.05.05 at 17:09:28:

yeah man that looks like some damn voodoo power  ;D nice card  :D

Might get nicer yet- Anyone know where I can find some 4 or 4.5 ns ram?

http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/Rolo01/2004116132921_Voodoo_100.jpg

Where did this image come from?

Why have a heatsink at all is the question, it was suppose to be a non-functional display unit.

Back at that time their Display Card was the only thing they could (quickly) come up with.

Maybe 3dfx was seeking to make the Card look more authentic (after all, the Media wanted to see the V5-6000, so the Media had to be shown something cool)

Would be interesting to know if that Card shown in the Image is mine, or the 2nd Card known to exist (but unseen since 4 years)

wrote on 21.05.05 at 19:40:14:

Maybe 3dfx was seeking to make the Card look more authentic (after all, the Media wanted to see the V5-6000, so the Media had to be shown something cool)

Or maybe one of the 2 x 2 cards actually functioned, if only in 2D mode. After all the other multi VSA Comdex card the 5500 was a functioning unit (if at low 100 mhz speed)

I'll have to inquire.

wrote on 21.05.05 at 19:26:36:

Why have a heatsink at all is the question, it was suppose to be a non-functional display unit.

The Dual GF 6800 Ultra-card shown at CeBIT this year had no components at all, even DVI-connectors were missing (here is a picture of the card). I mean, that was a blank PCB with a coolerunit so it could be possible that the shown 6000 isn't functional at all.
In addition to that the card hasn't a connector for any additional power supply (neither internal nor external), therefore the card can't work in my opinion.

Binary thinking- It works or it does not.

How do you know it wasn't operating on a single chip ;-)

Personally if the Comdex board was mine I'd pop it in an old LX based system that is disposable (to be safe) along with a PCI based video card and fire the system up.

If the PCB is indeed blank with no interconnects nothing will happen anyway, and you could scan the PCI bus and see if a 3dfx board is present (121a = 3dfx)

If "121a VGA device" is present (assuming you were not using a 3dfx PCI card of course, I use an S3 board to avoid confusion)  that would indicate the Comdex card was at least "live" and not a blank PCB.

Just idle thoughts.

wrote on 21.05.05 at 21:47:59:

Take a look at the AGP connector.

Ahh, the only thing I did not look at, I think you are correct and of course the heatsink picture doesn't have enough detail to tell if the AGP has connections or not.

Chances are it does not though as that would entail another PCB version with traces.

These Display cards were 100.0% non-functional, no traces, just nice-looking PCB's with generic components soldered on them.

By that time, they had no idea yet how to integrate 4 VSA-100's onto one PCB.

The second one would place such a Card into the AGP slot and power-on, the Board and parts of the Display Card would likely short-circuit.

IMHO one could call these Display Cards "design studies" or mockups.

wrote on 22.05.05 at 00:07:29:

By that time, they had no idea yet how to integrate 4 VSA-100's onto one PCB.

Not sure that is true since at the time the board was dated they had 5500's up and running and the Voodoo Volts test boards were dated 8 weeks before that.

I'd really like to know the story behind this PCB, it seems to be such a waste of manpower and money to throw together for a non-function display and it does have the early Voodoo Volts mini-molex spot too.


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The second one would place such a Card into the AGP slot and power-on, the Board and parts of the Display Card would likely short-circuit.

Well if the AGP connector traces go no where as it looks then nothing at all would happen on power up.

well I got that pic from Rolo01 once from x3dfxzone.it here 9is the Topic where I got the first glance it that V45K 2x2 with Cooling:

http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=566&whichpage=2&SearchTerms=Voodoo5

it took me a few hours to find that thread, but I did it with pleasure ofcourse, thanx to my scouting techniques and the Force ofcourse  8)

well we do realise that the Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB 2x2 cards don't function but they are extreemly rare so therefore thier expensitivity ;)

here that was first thought to be the Voodoo4 4500 at the Comdex 1999, well it is actually a Voodoo3 3500 from Compaq ;) and yes it works and has traces.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/991116/com_3_3.jpg

But the Voodoo5 5500 AGP 64MB Rev.A0 4599 COmdex cards do have traces and they can very well function, here a good photo of one:

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/991116/com_3_4.jpg

and here the Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB 2x2 41-4499 Rev.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/991116/com_3_5.jpg

dunno what happened to that Voodoo5 though nor that Voodoo3 3500 which was called Voodoo4 4500 at that time..

So I am thinking, what would of been the prototype fan layout's of the 5500 AGP and 4500 AGP ? would that have also been as beasty as the Voodoo5 6000 mega cooler?

I dunno let's hope it isn't destroyed, I hope you can get it Gary , I do have a feeling you will one day ;)


_{alittle off topic my lads!@ Thandor kom is online joh!}

No man, it's a Voodoo5 6000 2x2 card, the name Voodoo5 6500 is a hoax, never knew you would fall for that  :-X

ohwell really it's a Voodoo5 6000 AGP 2x2 model 41-4499 Rev. ;) Omega-Supreme FalconFly told me that and some other good fella's around here also.

wrote on 22.05.05 at 01:18:03:

I dunno let's hope it isn't destroyed, I hope you can get it Gary , I do have a feeling you will one day ;)

I'm very good at finding rare items but think even that one is beyond my ferreting skills my friend.

99% of my cards are being mounted on the wall in cases, i love having my cards, thats what colleting is all about, some do it for resale later, others just love what there collecting, same with cars,stamp or anything else, id gladly pay top dollar for that card to display it, and what is funny is i dont consider myself a collecter at all. :)

wrote on 22.05.05 at 01:50:05:

I'm very good at finding rare items but think even that one is beyond my ferreting skills my friend.

Well, maybe someday you'll find it :)

Only time will tell...  ::) ;)

You have found a lot of uncommon things. Look at the first post of this topic. The huge fan ;)

wrote on 22.05.05 at 01:32:49:

I'm also aware of this.  I was referring to people actually paying money for a card and knowing it is only a mock up.  The only way I would buy one of these, if it became available, would be if I could resell it instantly to a collector for a good profit.  There is no way I'd buy a non working card just to "have" it as part of a collection.

well I would hehe everyone has thier own opinions on forming and building up thier collections, ofcourse :)

there are 3dfx collectors and there are 3dfx collectors, but still there are differences.

See it that way :

The Voodoo5 6000 2x2 Comdex Card is like what the Mauritius is for Stamp collectors.
Although very old, already stamped and utterly useless for Postage, people pay Millions for it ;)

Im sure you have all had this happen to you at some time also--> friends come over and they see all these 3dfx cards and they give me this stare like ive lost my mind, they always ask what it is, i tell them i collect old 3dfx cards and they look at me like ive lost it, whats funny is almost all of them collect something, i know one who collects volleyballs, what the hell.

now to stay with the thread im always willing to buy the 3dfx fans off ppl who are done with them(card burned up,modded with new fans) i have several but you can never have enough

Very funny and true story- Time to time I do trackbacks and look at webpages that show lots of hits to my site.

On one webboard in asia there was a board member ragging about some lunatic (me) collecting useless old 3dfx hardware.

This board member made of the mistake of having his homepage listed in his profile so I went and checked it out. You know what he collected?

Rabbits.

I had GREAT fun pointing this out and remarking that as far as I was concerned the only good rabbit was a cooked one.

Man you should have seen him shut up as the tables were turned, he got the point in a big hurry.

we don't hang up cards on our walls, we put them in nice cases, vitrines and cuboards :)

Drilling holes in a wall isn't so sufficiant either...... :-/
A working Voodoo5 6000 is something you don't mess around with, it's something you should treat with care ;)

Oh well, 3dfx is our thing here, and the more Voodoo types, 3dfx fans and 3dfx collectors the better it gets. Anyways, I'm wondering what would of been the original cooling on the Spectre 1000 then Gary any Idea?

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I see you still haven't lost that arrogant attitude that got you into trouble at x3dfx then? If a person has paid for a working Voodoo5 6000 it's that person's and if they want to 'mess around' with it, throw it out of the window of a tall building or burn it they can.  There is no mysterious "community" regulating your actions. Sorry to be harsh, but that's how it is.

Well, go into a Porsche Forum and link Videos of people burning out Porsche Engines.
Guess what reactions you'd get, and they'd be completely normal.

I know you have a mysterious, irrational hate or non-understanding for 3dfx Collectors, but practically, just as you could do anything with anything you own, we can as well display our opinion towards it.

Remember it was you that pondered onto the right to be able to write your opinion, yet you don't seem to accept others and get personal.
IMHO the wrong way to go, especially there's absolutely no reason to.

I often see young guys with modded (ghetto-style) cars driving their rounds and think of them as low-lifes. But never I would attack or confront them with my opinion, since I know they'll have a reason to do what they do. Whatever it is, none of my business anyway.

caravel, i agree with that last post of yours, if you throw down the money its yours, ive burned out my share of 3dfx cards because o/c  and modding is what i like to do, on the other hand i love the ppl who collect and share with us there cards and search for the info on rare items, and if i didnt like hearing about 3dfx i wouldnt be here, but the thing i like best here is we dont do much of this--->[glb]I see you still haven't lost that arrogant attitude that got you into trouble at x3dfx then?[/glb] i know some forums ppl talk like this, why i will never know, anyways i hope you will like this forum. :)

sorry I don't agree with hispost, it's totally unreasonable, FalconFly is absolutely right, I dunno what I did wrong really


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we don't hang up cards on our walls, we put them in nice cases, vitrines and cuboards

okay what is wrong with this, it is the truth Ya know, I put my cards in tables, TM30 puts them in Cuboards, and so do others, so sorry I don't get your point.


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A working Voodoo5 6000 is something you don't mess around with, it's something you should treat with care ;)

That is the way I would take care of something which is morely worth that 1000 Euro's, sorry that is how I would treat my V56K if I would ever own one, don't see anything wrong with that either.


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the more Voodoo types, 3dfx fans and 3dfx collectors the better it gets.

Well this is just a true fact, the bigger the 3dfx community doesn't mean it would be worse right :)

So I don't see any arrogance, just a few opinions of mine and others mostly, an if you see my post an arrogant message, what's your problem then, If I may ask.

Regards,

Ben Kenobi.

wrote on 22.05.05 at 10:30:46:

Quote: we don't hang up cards on our walls, we put them in nice cases, vitrines and cuboards

As far as I know, that sentence is the 'trigger'.
In that sentence you are talking about 'we'.
Who is 'we' ?. Besides that it's not strange to hang out your collection on the wall.

Obi-Wan, You know Terw_dan of Gathering of Tweakers ?. He has an huge collection of Motherboards. He hung all the boards on the wall ;)


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A working Voodoo5 6000 is something you don't mess around with, it's something you should treat with care

Well, that's clearly an opinion. Of course I agree with you about that. In my opinion any 3dfx should be handled with care.
People's opinions about things are different. That's not a reason to get angry at each other. If Caraval says : "An 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 is too expensive to mess around with " then that is his opinion.

After all I don't see big problems, just read every single word on this forum without hostile intentions.
It's an international board so misunderstandings are easily being made.

wrote on 22.05.05 at 14:13:19:

I find his replies very patronising and I'm not the only one.

His attitude about 3dfx cards is understandable and a number of people do just "hang them on the wall" so to speak.

I don't make mine into wall hangings nor overclock to insane mhz nor mod in general, but I don't look down my nose at people who do and criticize either.

People are in the 3dfx community for a wide number of reasons and all are welcome. Some may have a different point of view then you about what makes up a member of the 3dfx community, get over it.

You on the other hand seem to be bringing a personal attitude toward obiwan in from another forum, my advice to you is to leave it there, it isn't welcome here.

@caravel - DUDE, chill out! :o


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@caravel seems to be bringing a personal attitude toward obiwan in from another forum, my advice to you is to leave it there, it isn't welcome here.

I aggree, leave the attitude behind please! :P

wrote on 22.05.05 at 14:43:30:

That is totally false.

Your quote-

"I see you still haven't lost that arrogant attitude that got you into trouble at x3dfx then?"

Please explain the part where I'm totally false.


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Anyway I get the picture, I won't be back here.

That is your choice to make of course, you are welcome here as long as you don't drag in issues from other forums.

<unrequired comment snipped>

anyways back to the topic, hmm there are some creative ans out there, like these:

Ideal Elethermal VGA5314
http://www.dansdata.com/images/coolercomp/idelvga5314220.jpg
and here with the red cap removed:
http://www.dansdata.com/images/coolercomp/idelvga5314open220.jpg

Blue Orb
http://www.dansdata.com/images/coolercomp/blorb220.jpg

Orange Orb
http://www.dansdata.com/images/coolercomp/orangeorb220.jpg

Crystal Orb
http://www.dansdata.com/images/coolercomp/ttcrysorb220.jpg

I was thinking of using Orange Orbs on my DOA Voodo5 5500 since it would look abit neater :)

I'm not sure if the Orange Orb will be sufficiant enough to cool a real Voodoo5 5500, anyone else a clue?

here more info about these nice Fanned VGA Coolers:
http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp_p11.htm

Hey, what did you say about a noiseless solution?

Zalman ZM-NB47J (usually northbridge chipset heatsink)

http://img213.echo.cx/img213/3923/zalman2hf.jpg

It is not cool like blue orb, but it is cool as well ;D

[With ZM-NB47J/32J series, no pcb holes problem at all; this heatsink can be regulated ;)]

hmm looks nice, I thought that Zalman made them Ornage as well, heh a Blue one and an Orange one, that would look nice also, well I could paint them also LOL  :D ;D :D

Hmm are there also 40mm Led fans?

I do not know if there are led fans sold separately from heatsink...

But i know that revoltec made heatsinks with cool led fans ;)

Model for ATi cards (could fit on Voodoo5 also ;) [Pay attention! This model can be mounted from RADEON9500series until RADEON9800 series...but do not fit on 9600 series absolutely!! I had to mod revoltec heatsink with copper made by my self in order to use it on my 9600 board]

http://img196.echo.cx/img196/3238/revoltec1pd.jpg

Nowadays seems that Revoltec understood the Rad9600 incompatibility. In fact have released a new universal model of heatsink. This looks the same to my old revoltec modded heatsink ;)

Obi-Wan, i like the top one, never used it thou but it looks nice, as for tht crystal orb, it cant handle the heat of the 5500, used them already, they look nice but there heavy. the gforce4 copper coolers work really nice but one needs a slight cut to fit ::)

http://img197.echo.cx/img197/404/bfg0082tj.th.jpg

this was my first peltier heatsink, i bent the heat pipe so it ran back and fourth instead of up and over, then drilled out holes in the plate for the 2 vsa 100  mounts and there you have it. im gonna use this heatsink in my next mod

now that looks beasty also, nice and Big and very Blue also, really cool, It must weigh alot or is the weight spreaded across the board so there won't be any overweight at one point?

its really very light, all aluminum, i cant wait to use it.

hmm cool, I wonder if there are also Titanium based coolers, Titanium seems to be also extreemly light weight and very tough, or does Aluminium give better cooling than Titanium?

BTW I can't wait to see it in action either, make nice big shots of it :)

It's already being used for HDD drives ;): -

http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1297

lol, gary now that u mentioned it
my own parents think i'm collecting pieces of junk metal.

like u said, Asia,
people here just have different interest and hobbies,

neither can anyone see a hobby in video cards, my circle of friends still cannot believe the amount of money dump into it.

Here's some hole drilling tips (moved to this thread on request of @gdonovan)... ;)

For some nice SLOW drilling of holes in circuit boards I usually use a power screwdriver with a drill bit adaptor.  :D

These are MUCH slower than multi-speed drills and do nice clean holes through PCB.   ;D

And remember, always drill a smaller pilot hole first!   ;)