I'm on re-installing my system, but I'm not sure which OS wil perform better:
WinXP+SP1 with Amigamerlin3 or Win2000+SP4 with Original drivers  ???

Amigamerlin does'nt seem to perform better than originals on Win2k anyway..but i expect a speed-up with a/m on winxp...?
can anybody help me here? oh well, which os is better for my cpu etc., regarding core features etc. ?

>>adding<<
and what about these glide drivers in amigamerlin driver? ut runs a little bit slower with them compared to originals..

I hate windows XPee
it's heavier, loads lots of  crap such as msn messenger, wants to be activated ; the blue interface is awful

I like win2000 so much better.  XP won't do anything more than 2000

Hi!

Use XP-Antispy. About the blue interface: simply turn it off  ::) ::)

Cu
Enrico

wrote on 02.01.04 at 22:25:42:

I hate windows XPee it's heavier, loads lots of  crap such as msn messenger, wants to be activated ; the blue interface is awful I like win2000 so much better.  XP won't do anything more than 2000

right  ;D
i like win2k more, too...but i came to a system which would simply run better with an actual os...
i also don't like that i have to deactivate all these graphical 'gimmicks'..
so i'm not sure if xp is not more useful than 2k..  ???

ok, thanks to via kt133a chipset, there's no go with winxp...damn, damn, damn!!! anyway, win2k also recognizes features like sse on my palomino.
oh ya, what's the thing with the render 2 pixel per clock feature in amigamerlin3? it's (by default) enabled in glide/opengl and disabled in direct3d  ???

All you need can be found HERE ;D: -

http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/bestsettings/am30xp.htm

Nuff Said! 8)

yeah, read it already...but i'm sure smoother alpha blending looks better than sharper...at least in 16bit colors.

Take as an example Quake3. It is no use in using smoother Alpha Blending, makes the things too blurry. Also, it makes for some strange "greeny" smoke...

Getting back to Win2000 vs XP, i would rather choose the Windows that is not in this list, Win98SE. Even against 2000, this Win uses by far less memory and cpu, and if configured correctly, can be just as good as 2000. Although between the above mentioned two, I would definitevly choose 2000, unless you are in needed of a somehow improved NTFS and Compression.

wrote on 05.01.04 at 08:33:48:

Getting back to Win2000 vs XP, i would rather choose the Windows that is not in this list, Win98SE. Even against 2000, this Win uses by far less memory and cpu, and if configured correctly, can be just as good as 2000.

I'd never fall back to win98se --> 512mb ram would not be supported (due there's an upper support limit in win9x at 384mb, only games would make use of more ram), bad usb support, bad sse & 3dnow! support etc...
therefore i've the choice between win2k, winxp and winme..well, winme sucks, too (same bad ram support as win98se).  ;D at last: win9x is kind of too unprofessional to me, 'cause i get no real system tools (like the administration tools in win2k/xp).

I would also choose Win2000, although I have got XP on the machine now and haven't had any problems (YET!) :-X

But for all round stability and compatibility, I think the majority would tell you to choose 2000.

TIP: I would also use the latest Service Pack, which is 4.

wrote on 05.01.04 at 11:21:54:

TIP: I would also use the latest Service Pack, which is 4.

read my system specs  ;)

concerning drivers, what about this:
amigamerlin3.0xp, original glide .DLLs, v.control, wickedgl, mesafx

Quote:

read my system specs  ;)

Hehe! ;D Oh yeah! Can't see the woods for the trees!

Think I need these ==>  8)

wrote on 05.01.04 at 09:38:49:

I'd never fall back to win98se --> 512mb ram would not be supported (due there's an upper support limit in win9x at 384mb, only games would make use of more ram), bad usb support, bad sse & 3dnow! support etc... therefore i've the choice between win2k, winxp and winme..well, winme sucks, too (same bad ram support as win98se).  ;D at last: win9x is kind of too unprofessional to me, 'cause i get no real system tools (like the administration tools in win2k/xp).

First of all, Win98SE does work very well with 512 Mb of RAM. I've tested this before, and there are no problems.
5 things:
1) Win 2000 use more than 64Mb (also using a swap with 20Mb at least) after booting, Win98 can run with no swap at all, and leave you as much memory as you need.
2)Also, you can't choose in Win 2000 or XP how much memory is used for disk cache, and the swap is...
3)Many video cams, and printers, and other USB stuff like that work perfectly under Win98 SE.
4)If you are so keen in beliving about the huge benefit of Win 2k/XP and 3DNow!/SSE, why you get the same time for those actions that trully rely on them (Video processing and 3DMark 2001 SE)?
5)Most of the time, you don't really need your computer as a server or a workstation at home,  and even inside a company there are software sollutions available for Win98 that do just as well as those on Win2k. Not including that overall, the price tag is lower for Win98+these tools than Win2k... Only for new computers it is worth, as you anyway get Win2k/XP installed shipped with it.

wrote on 05.01.04 at 09:38:49:

D at last: win9x is kind of too unprofessional to me, 'cause i get no real system tools (like the administration tools in win2k/xp).

well, at  least there's MS-DOS.   win 2k/XP can't even boot in console mode.
there's a "recovery console" if you have a floppy to wate, but it won't let you even run programs, so it's useless..

don't want to quote the whole stuff, here are my answers:

@ Boiu_Andrei:
of course win98se starts/boots and works with 512mb ram, but it doesn't makes use of more than 384mb. only applications do so.

1. same thing in win98se (on my pc), ram manage is even worse
2. you're wrong, this option is avaible
3. many, but not all (at least less as under win 2k/xp)
4. i get even better time in win2k/xp than in win98se in those cases
5. i still need my pc as a workstation

@ Blazkowicz:
you got a windows console (actuallly better than dos for simple commands) and you got the recovery console with which you can even boot the whole windows application (also from cd). you can start windowsnt in normal or in console mode. get tools from microsoft and 3^rd parties to do that --> that means you're wrong, you can boot in console mode.

and who the hell still runs dos??

wrote on 06.01.04 at 12:13:51:

don't want to quote the whole stuff, here are my answers: of course win98se starts/boots and works with 512mb ram, but it doesn't makes use of more than 384mb. only applications do so. 1. same thing in win98se (on my pc), ram manage is even worse 2. you're wrong, this option is avaible 3. many, but not all (at least less as under win 2k/xp) 4. i get even better time in win2k/xp than in win98se in those cases 5. i still need my pc as a workstation @ Blazkowicz: you got a windows console (actuallly better than dos for simple commands) and you got the recovery console with which you can even boot the whole windows application (also from cd). you can start windowsnt in normal or in console mode. get tools from microsoft and 3rd parties to do that --> that means you're wrong, you can boot in console mode. and who the hell still runs dos??

Doesn't make use means it doesn't occupy that much ram... How sad for Win98, it is not so big as XP, which nicely fits at start-up your 150Mb swap and your 128Mb Ram... Win98 fells enough for start-up 64Mb of RAM and no swap file usage... 3D Design apps are well suited for the OS where you have as much ram as possible free.

If you get better times, that might be the drivers. Do a "SGI software-GL render" test in QuakeGL game, and you get the same, if not 1% faster in Win98SE. This is a pure CPU test, the CPU is doing everything you see on the screen, and it shows that actuall WIN XP is NOT faster at all as oposed to WIN 98.

"get tools from microsoft and 3^rd parties to do that --> that means you're wrong, you can boot in console mode."

Why is that needed? XP is so suposedly safe? Shouldn't be those 10Mb complete apps on the distribution CD? No, you have un-wreck the system by doing a clean install, and take 6h to configure the system a bit more as needed... Also, XP doesn't ask what you want to be installed. How nice-- 1Gig of space runs out quickly...

wrote on 06.01.04 at 21:47:07:

win2k is *A BIT* slower than winXP, YES IT IS!. And when it comes to voodoo drivers... amiga 3.0 + winxp sounds much better than win2k + original.

that's what i mean!  :D

@ Boiu_Andrei:
please stick with win98se if you want to, i personally decided to do not.

Hm, for all I can tell (my Win98SE works with 512MB RAM), it does work fine, and uses all of the 512MB.

With some tricks you can get upto 768MB working, but it  means alot of hassle and restrictions, and is rather "experimental".

Looking at my Win2000 installation, I like it much more than WinXP (it's simply more trustworthy, not as much restrictions and spyware), for as long as you don't move to SP3 or higher (those apparently contain alot of XP-like "features" :P )

From the pure Memory footprint, Win98SE of course beats 'em all by a solid margin, and it still works perfectly fine for me for Gaming.
Since at the same time it acts as a 24/7 server for 23 other machines here, I'd say it's still a quite useful OS to have.

I think the 512MB limit and eventually Driver + DirectX support (same that happened to Win95) will one day mark the EOL (end of life) for Win98/98SE, but that day luckily hasn't come yet.
(I do remember ATI's initial announcement, though, where they originally planned not to supply Win98 Drivers for their Radeon series anymore. Thank god they eventually reconsidered after the Users voiced their outrage about that Idea. )

According to the dox the stability problems with Win98 when more than 512MB are used can be solved with CACHEMAN from outertech.com . Well, i only have 128MB (more can't be cached because VP3 limits) and can't verify how it works.

Regards,
Andreas

One thing I would probably have to choose Win98 for is my old 3dfxGlide/Direct3D games I still want to play!  :(
Seeing as there is no "Compatability" function in Win2000, like their is with WinXP, most old Win95/98 games won't run in 2000.  :'(
Therefore my only options are:

- To run a dual boot system consisting of Win98 and Win2000.

- Find a tool for Win2000 that will emulate the compatibility function to enable me to run my old Win95/98 games on 2000.

- Or just use one OS, Windows XP.

What do people suggest??  ???

janskjaer, run dual boot.

well, installing 512mb on winme, which should have better support than win98se, told me it ran even slower than only installing 384mb..that's it! maybe somebody else did not get this problem, who knows..?

wrote on 08.01.04 at 22:22:59:

According to the dox the stability problems with Win98 when more than 512MB are used can be solved with CACHEMAN from outertech.com . Well, i only have 128MB (more can't be cached because VP3 limits) and can't verify how it works. Regards, Andreas

That situation can be related to VCACHE. Although you don't need at all Cacheman to solve this potential problem. Just the notepad...

Microsoft themselves say that Windows 98 and Windows ME can use up to 1GB of RAM.  Anything over 512MB needs a couple of lines added the the sys.ini-

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=*****

where ***** is the number of Kb you want to limit the disk cache to.  But I suppose using a text editor to modify a file might be a bit beyond some users...  :P

In all seriousness I multi-boot four Microsoft operating systems here-

http://www.procerus.btinternet.co.uk/Boot98.jpg

I use Windows 98lite for nearly everything since it's small, fast and very stable.  Most importantly it boasts the most compatibility with the games I play and the hardware I use.  I boot DOS 6.22 more often than I boot Window XP.

XP's a perfectly good operating system.  It's a bit large and slow (I have a P4 2.4 with 512MB 800FSB and 80GB WD ATA100) but that's comparatively speaking.  It's "horses for courses" or perhaps "better the devil you know", eh?

Hi procerus,
i used 98lite too for some time but therere were too many problems with it. At least with the german version of win98se that i use. Maybe you don't have that problems with the uk windows version. I always used the clean install option of 98lite to install a fresh windows. After installation the f****** welcome screen appeared every boot altough i clicked on don't run at windows start. The 'showdesktop' icon in the quicklaunchbar is missing. And when clean installed with win95b explorer and no ie many microsoft installer based setup's won't work.

Altough i use Mozilla Firebird i can't recommed deinstalling ie. It's not just the msi problem but there are many other programs that rely on ie. RealplayerGoldV2 is such an example. By the way, rpg is a big spyware. You have to deactivate tons of options to prevent rpg from contacting real.com and that messagecenter popups (ads). Also rpg asks you to register everytime you start the player. There is no option to prevent this. But this applies to Quicktime 6.4 too. Of cause i never register such crap. Normally i wouldn't install it but many Music-Websites rely on these programs...

Regards,
Andreas

Andreas.  I disable the Startup screen with Microsoft's TweakUI although you can always edit msdos.sys to the same effect.  The Quicklaunch Toolbar and many other features (especially those relating to the truly awful "Active Desktop") won't work if you do a "Sleek" install since this uses the Windows 95 Windows Explorer shell.

Personally I prefer the original Explorer shell since the later ones were larger and a lot less stable.  And, since I was on the beta for Windows 95, I am just extremely familiar with and fond of the original way things worked!  ;D

I have found a couple of programs that wouldn't install.  The solution is to use a hex editor to do a find and replace on the installer's executable.  Windows 98lite backs up the original version of "shell32.dll" as "shell32.w98".  So just find any mention of the former in the installer and substitute the latter for it.  Then the installer will work normally.  It sounds a lot of trouble but it takes only seconds and, as I say, I've only had to do it twice so far here.

This for me is a small price to pay for an OS that has all the compatibility of Windows 98SE (I have and use USB 2 support for example) with the speed and stability of Windows 95 plus the ability to boot to a perfectly good version of full-on DOS when one needs to!  :D

I should also point out that I use Microsoft's Internet Explorer 6.  Although I never liked the attempt to integrate the desktop and the Internet I do quite like IE.  So long as it's kept quite separate from my operating system and I can run it only when I need to.  The only drawback to using IE6 with 98lite Sleek is that you have to disable loadwc.exe and, if you do so, then you don't get prompted if you want to disconnect when you close IE.  But I never like having programs running all the time for such trivial reasons anyway.

In case anyone thinks I work for Shane Brooks (98lite's author) or something I should say that XPlite has been a dissappointment to me so far.  It does too little and can't seem to make a decent ballerina of the hippopotamus that is Window XP.  ;)

Win98lite? Is this just a cut-down version of 98se??

Is it available as an option to install from on the 98se cd?

What things does it cut out? What differs it from the 98se full install?

Hi Procerus,
i used 98lite primary for saving memory (i had less than now at the time i used it). When i stumbled around the fix for the MSI installers earlier i would have installed my windows with 98lite again. I can't say anything about the differences in the 95/98 explorers as i use commander clones since my nearly forgotton dos times ;-)

Regards,
Andreas

1hey patience, nice ip banning u got there.
the only problem is that u fail to warn me first.
therefor, i see this as a personal offense.

u have 24 hours to remove my ban before i will take drastic steps to remove it.

@password

You have 3 days of a time-out...
I intentionally did not block any IP, so you should still be able to read (or post as a Guest as you did).

In 3 days, we will return your Account to completely normal Status, unless you manage to screw up again within that period....

Keep in mind that threatening anyone, I do define as "screwing up", so you better stop Posting dumb looking, oversized and nonsense Images.  ::)

i didn't threaten anyone
btw, 21 hours , 30 minutes  is the time left.

i mean what i say and i always keep my promises.
3 days> 24 hours.

You call an ultimatum "no threat" ?
Okay son, you've had it....

Hasta la vista... baby

wrote on 17.01.04 at 13:19:36:

98lite is a small program u put into a floppy. After u format, INSTEAD of running cddrive:\win98\ena\setup.exe

How do I create one of these 98lite floppies?? Is there a function for this on the 98se cd?
If so, where is it located?


wrote on 17.01.04 at 13:19:36:

u start the program on the floppy and make sure the 98se disc is inside. The installation copies the *.cab files to your hard disk drive and then the setup goes on as usual but now u can select many more futures to install/not to install.

So it's like a normal Win98 setup, but gives you the choice to install/not install extra features??
What happens to the *.cab files once the installation has completed? Can you remove them? Do you have to manually remove them, or does Windows do it automatically after the installation?

Quote:

You call an ultimatum "no threat" ? Okay son, you've had it.... Hasta la vista... baby

first of all it's "asta la vista" and not hasta  :-/
I am banned VIA IP and not just username. I have to use a proxy just to get in the forum.
Now are u still sure u "intentionally did not block any IP"
If u want me to stay off just ask, i do not hang out where i am not wanted.

This is the time to say my final line.
voodoo cards suck, they always sucked and will go on like this forever.
there are only 2 cards that worth bothering with:
v5500 and v6000
everything else is simply pure shi-t.
I only hope you guys do yourselves a favour and get rid of that old crap.
this is the truth, accept it or deny it - It's up to u.
I am going to delete my usernam from the database as I no longer intend to get back here.
Was nice to meet you falconfly, micha , lecram , raziel64 and patience.

bye bye  :'(

Now are u still sure u "intentionally did not block any IP"

After the clear threat you voiced yesterday, that obviously changed, and your normal access privileges were removed permanently.

The long list of international Proxies I have is, however, not access restricted yet, allowing you (or any other Proxy User) to still access the Forum and Archive for now...
(for now, only bezeqint.net Services are affected)

If you believe Voodoo Cards suck, that's (as I said earlier) personal preference. But obviously, this is definitely not the right place to be then, if that's your opinion.

I ran RTCW on a Diamond Monster 3D (Voodoo1) on a K6-2 350 with 128MB. OK, the tram level was very difficult and i needed many save's to solve that level but most of the rest was playable. Solved it without cheating but saving every corner ;-) . @Falconfly, remeber my solution for the crashes with Voodoo1 drivers and the search for the best 3dfxogl (wasn't it 428) to run RTCW and Q3 in your guestbook?

Regards,
Andreas

janskaer?  98lite is a third-party program.  It was created by someone who was originally interested in removing Internet Explorer from Windows 98.  A thing that was rather "unfashionable" with Microsoft at the time since they were in court trying to prove that it was a vital component of the OS.

You can find a link in my sig (click on "98lite" below).  It's shareware but there is a free version you can try.  For me the main "trick" it does is to change the Windows Explorer shell but it also allows you to deselect or remove various Windows components.

You can install and run the program from within an existing install if you want.  This is a second-best option since it will never be as tidy as a fresh install using the program.

If you do a clean install the first thing 98lite does is to create an install directory.  This contains the .cab files and the Windows 95 components if you're going to use them.  After installing the OS you are free to delete the install directory although you then lose the facility to clean up the install from time to time using 98lite.

HTH

Exciting here, eh?  ;D

wrote on 18.01.04 at 17:10:39:

Now are u still sure u "intentionally did not block any IP" After the clear threat you voiced yesterday, that obviously changed, and your normal access privileges were removed permanently. The long list of international Proxies I have is, however, not access restricted yet, allowing you (or any other Proxy User) to still access the Forum and Archive for now... (for now, only bezeqint.net Services are affected) If you believe Voodoo Cards suck, that's (as I said earlier) personal preference. But obviously, this is definitely not the right place to be then, if that's your opinion.

falconfly, THERE IS ALWAYS A LEAK, ALWAYS.
u can keep blocking old - out of date proxy servers.
there are millions of them.
u can keep blocking them by ports.
that will require u to block 99999 ports.
i assume you'll ban the entire forum before u locate my port.
keep blocking them. now it's 8888 port.
hmm.. u blocked 2 right? so that leaves u 99997 to go.
good luck!   :D

btw, reread my post. i said all voodoo cards suck with the exception of v5500 and v6000.
:P

I will certainly have a look at this 98lite, once I run the 98se install, possibly this week.  Has anyone tried the 2000lite or XPlite? How do they fair up?


Quote:

Exciting here, eh?  ;D

Yes, some very strong arguments and opinions being thrown around, although I think PASSword should just give it up.

To some extent, I see no reason in using Win98lite as oposed to Win98SE, if you are viewing HTML content.

Generally, I doubt the difference would be that big in performance when using WIN98lite, since it uses the same kernel. Again, if network devices (such as VNET and VNETSUP) are not blocked from starting up, I am afraid that even the 5% performance gain, would not be achieved on Win98lite...

i personally own a near complete set of voodoo s they have done , what they were meant to do well ! Saying something sucks without any kind of usefull critisism is just pointless ! i own a radeon 9600 pro aswell i use it for new games mainly  , the voodoo s are still superior to use with the games from their own period , and if you can stretch the life span why not ? and why not have a legacy system for your old cards and parts . It all comes down to what you enjoy doing game wise old / new or both !

I also have an XP install with XPlite.  It's a whole different thing.

With 98lite the program can control the whole install of the operating system.  In addition to allowing you to remove parts of Windows that aren't usually optional it also allows you to change the actual kernel (in the case of "Sleek" and "Micro" installations).  This makes the OS a bit faster in the GUI, gives it a smaller footprint on disk and in memory, but mainly makes Windows 98 a whole lot more stable - for me anyway!  ;D

With XPlite you do a normal install of Windows XP.  You then install XPlite which allows you to selectively remove parts of Windows that you normally couldn't.  There is no facility for kernel swapping.

XPlite is still under development and promises to allow the removal of still more of the mass of useless stuff XP loads by default.  But, IMHO, as it stands it doesn't do quite enough on its own.  And when compared to 98lite I find XPlite a bit of a dissappointment.