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DenisF Senior Member Offline So fluffy it hurts Posts: 409 Israel Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #195 - 24.07.04 at 06:02:20 You can get the servers that this card is pulled from for much less heck even sun ultra 5's sell for half that price, and i would seriously donate my right nut for one of those.
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Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200?
Reply #196 - 24.07.04 at 09:05:13

Well, I'd be quite careful, one received a defective Card, and Hutzeputz (VoodooAlert) so far received "nothing" Roll Eyes

And if anyone sees an AS-400 or RS-6000 for 200$, let me know please. Cheapest I've ever seen here were anywhere between 800$ to 1500$, and those never shipped with a 3dfx Card Wink

Old SUN's are a cheap bargain compared to those...

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NitroX infinity YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 1936 The Netherlands Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #197 - 24.07.04 at 10:34:23 Quote: It'll be annoying if he keeps 'materialising' cards every so often... Quote: BULK & DEALER SALE QUESTIONS ARE WELCOME.
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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #198 - 24.07.04 at 10:42:00 Quote from seller- "STILL WONT SELL YOU ONE GARY............BUT I WILL TOSS ONE AGAINST THE WALL FOR YOU:)"
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FalconFly YaBB Administrator Offline 3dfx Archivist Posts: 2453 5335N 00745E Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #199 - 24.07.04 at 10:50:51 Oh well, anyway, if sufficient Cards do turn up, everyone should be able to get one in the near future, one way or the other... The more people buy a Card (that turns out to work, some seem in pretty bad condition unfortunately), the lower the price will naturally drop.
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Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200?
Reply #200 - 25.07.04 at 16:07:50

Hmm...

News Update :

- the Card works under Win2k now
- seems there were 2 Connectors (bent) around a Voltage Regulator on the Card, that went unnoticed by me and interfered with each other

Working drivers :
- x3dfx Win2k V1.07.00 and V1.07.00beta

2D (Desktop) : Perfect

3D : less than perfect unfortunately

About the same Problems/Artifacts occur, when certain Applications run.

3D Mark 2001SE B330 (Direct3D) :
...Card produces severe Rendering errors

PC Player Benchmark (Direct3D Edition) :
...almost flawless, but there's a Problem with incorrect Alpha blending around the simple Tree Textures

Looks like the Drivers do not work very well on the Alpha Blending part, and produce significant errors as soon as one, or worse multiple layers of Alpha Transparency are being rendered.

Another strange thing :
The Display Property Page shows a total of 32MB Video Memory...
3D Mark's System Info as well lists the Card as 32MB (27MB remaining for textures in 1024x768x16 Desktop).
That could very well also be a contributing factor to the Problems.

I'd made a bunch of Screenshots (Tools, Digital Out, Rendering examples), that I'll edit into the Post later.

Funny detail :
With the old (unfortunately, I don't know remember which) 3dfx Drivers still installed on the System, it first booted up as a "Voodoo5 5500 PCI Mac" (?)

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NitroX infinity YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 1936 The Netherlands Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #201 - 25.07.04 at 16:34:37 FalconFly, What do Everest Home Edition (formerly AIDA32) and Sisoft Sandra say about the videocards memory? And I'm a bit confused, is this a daytona (V4-2) or just a Napalm chip?
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FalconFly YaBB Administrator Offline 3dfx Archivist Posts: 2453 5335N 00745E Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #202 - 25.07.04 at 16:42:19 Already posted here : http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general;action=displa... Bottom line : 3dfx Tools (Win98 Info Tab) thinks : VSA-100 The Analysis Programs think : VSA-101 Daytona
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NitroX infinity YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 1936 The Netherlands Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #203 - 25.07.04 at 16:52:20 Oops, sorry 'bout that! Anyway, tried an FCC ID search?
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FalconFly YaBB Administrator Offline 3dfx Archivist Posts: 2453 5335N 00745E Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #204 - 25.07.04 at 17:52:48 Quote: Oops, sorry 'bout that! Anyway, tried an FCC ID search? Unfortunately, there is no FCC ID # on the Card.
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NitroX infinity YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 1936 The Netherlands Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #205 - 25.07.04 at 17:56:40 I assume you've already sent an email towards IBM? Mayby nVidia may also know something about this card?
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FalconFly YaBB Administrator Offline 3dfx Archivist Posts: 2453 5335N 00745E Gender:	Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200? Reply #206 - 25.07.04 at 17:58:48 Yes, the EMail to IBM... ...it remained unanswered, and a search on their chaotic "hide&seek our products" was a catastrophy. Asking NVidia would be as good as asking a fortuneteller (although that one might actually make up an answer for the money ) or the pope g
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Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200?
Reply #207 - 25.07.04 at 18:27:57

Screenshots from the Voodoo4-2 4200, Win2000, x-3dfx V1.07.00 Driver :

3dfx Digital Tab
Win2000 Video Information Tab
3dfx Color Tab
3dfx FSAA Tab

PC Player Direct3D-Bench Screenshot

3D Mark 2001SE b330, Car Chase (Low Detail)
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3D Mark 2001SE b330, Car Chase (High Detail)
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Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200?
Reply #208 - 25.07.04 at 18:35:27

The fact that the 3dfx hub sees the chip as a VSA-100 is I believe the fault of either the BIOs or driver.

The artifacts might be caused by overheating or simply bad memory. Though I severely doubt it's overheating since osckhar's daytona went up to 180MHz without heatsinks if I'm not mistaking.

But, you never know, try underclocking to see if that gets rid of the artifacts.

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Re: IBM Voodoo 4 4200?
Reply #209 - 25.07.04 at 18:37:22

Well, those are not simply artifacts as one would see from overheating RAM's, these are massive Rendering errors leading me to believe the error is buried elsewhere.

As stated in this Thread earlier, the Card works perfectly fine under MS-DOS using VESA Benchmarks upto 1024x768.

As the Programs seem to believe the Card has 32MB total Video RAM, that alone could results in the massive errors as well.

PS.
I also ran the old 3dfx Donut Demo in 1024x768, and it as well was showing massive Rendering errors, mostly corrupt Textures (eventually leading to a complete machine lock-up)

The Card's temperature was quite low all the time, and the RAM barely becomes warm, if at all.

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