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The cards that use TSOP86 ram
02.12.13 at 21:04:32

Hey guys,

I thought it might be handy to have a thread where we can list the cards we may have found that use the same kinda ram the Voodoo5 5500 does, TSOP86.

8MB modules

1: 3DProphet 4500 Kyro II 64MB = 5ns TSOP86 ram
2: 3DProphet 4500 Kyro II 64MB = 5.5ns TSOP86 ram

16MB modules

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please feel free to share any findings, I will update 1st post with the data

Any other info regarding the ram is welcome too ofcourse, like where it can be bought separately.

Ofcourse we like the 16MB modules best, since they allow for a 128MB V5 mod

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RaptorZX3 Full Member Offline Canadian 3DFX user Posts: 218 Montreal, Quebec (Canada) Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #1 - 03.12.13 at 08:54:37 what is the marking on the RAM chips? i see one sold here on Ebay, Apollo Kyro II 4500 AGP 64mb with Samsung brand on it, but the model number isn't quite clear on the picture(s).
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ultima God Member Offline Always searching Posts: 880 The Netherlands Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #2 - 03.12.13 at 09:06:37 all Kyro II cards use TSOP86 ram, only difference is that some cards have 200Mhz ram (5ns) and some use 183Mhz ram (5.5ns) the rest is exactly the same. But mine has samsung ram as well, I'll post the markings tonight when I'm at home.
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RaptorZX3 Full Member Offline Canadian 3DFX user Posts: 218 Montreal, Quebec (Canada) Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #3 - 03.12.13 at 09:20:41 i'm asking because i see a lot of my AGP cards here have Samsung RAM on them...so i would like to check if it's exactly TSOP86 memory type.
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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #4 - 03.12.13 at 09:56:19

there are very few cards that use TSOP86, it is easy to recognize, since it has 86 pins, very small ones, most cards from that time use TSOP II (54 pins) if I remember correctly

just enter the the print that is on the card into google and type specs behind it and you will get pages shown where the specs can be found.

for example: hynix 210A HY57V281620HCT-5, type the last part in google and you get loads of pages, and 1 is

http://www.digchip.com/datasheets/parts/datasheet/3909/HY57V281620HCT-5.php

showing:

Specifications
Memory Category DRAM Chip
Density 134218 kbits
Number of Words 8000 k
Bits per Word 16 bits
Package Type TSOP, 0.400 X 0.875 INCH, 0.80 MM PITCH, TSOP2-54
Pins 54
Logic Family CMOS
Supply Voltage 3.3V
Access Time 4.5 ns
Operating Temperature -40 to 85 C (-40 to 185 F)

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RaptorZX3 Full Member Offline Canadian 3DFX user Posts: 218 Montreal, Quebec (Canada) Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #5 - 03.12.13 at 10:31:08 So i guess the Voodoo4 also use TSOP86? since it's basically half a Voodoo5.
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ultima God Member Offline Always searching Posts: 880 The Netherlands Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #6 - 03.12.13 at 11:00:06 all vsa-100 based 3DFX cards use the TSOP86 ram,
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osckhar God Member Offline www.3Dfx.es Posts: 812 SPAIN Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #7 - 03.12.13 at 11:56:48 Advice- if someone is planing to mod his card with fast memory. I recommend , always if you can, to buy new ones tsop86. I found problems when using used TSOP86. So you know for sure if card gets errors is for pins shorted or not correctly welded- - Oscar.
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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #8 - 03.12.13 at 12:31:07

good advice Oscar.

Do you know any sites that still sell the TSOP86 ram chips?

My dream is 256MB Voodoo5 5500, with fast ram, but I don't know if 32MB TSOP86 chips even exist. 128MB per chip is possible, Komponent did that mod to a Voodoo4 4500.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/691904837/MT48LC4M32B2P_7_IT_G.html

those are 16MB modules if I'm not mistaken, but they are only 143Mhz. Sad

These are 5.5ns

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MT48LC2M32B2TG-55-TSOP86-MICRON-FREE-SHIPPING/459...

That is 183Mhz ram, but only 8MB per chip, so no go in more ram Sad

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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #9 - 03.12.13 at 16:03:56

ultima wrote on 03.12.13 at 12:31:07:

good advice Oscar.

Do you know any sites that still sell the TSOP86 ram chips?

My dream is 256MB Voodoo5 5500, with fast ram, but I don't know if 32MB TSOP86 chips even exist. 128MB per chip is possible, Komponent did that mod to a Voodoo4 4500.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/691904837/MT48LC4M32B2P_7_IT_G.html

those are 16MB modules if I'm not mistaken, but they are only 143Mhz. Sad

These are 5.5ns

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MT48LC2M32B2TG-55-TSOP86-MICRON-FREE-SHIPPING/459...

That is 183Mhz ram, but only 8MB per chip, so no go in more ram Sad

Voodoo4 mounts 8 RAM chip, using 16MB RAM per chip you can reach 128MB, but no more since I doubt that 32MB 86TSOP-II per chip does exist, we are speaking of SDRAMs, not DDRAMs afterall. The Voodoo5 mounts MAX 4 RAM chip per VSA-100. So you cannot have your cake and eat it at the same time.

The mod isn't still a flawless success anyway. It turns out that there are different card behaviours depending on OS and motherboard used.

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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #10 - 03.12.13 at 19:13:52

goriath wrote on 03.12.13 at 16:03:56:

ultima wrote on 03.12.13 at 12:31:07:

good advice Oscar.

Do you know any sites that still sell the TSOP86 ram chips?

My dream is 256MB Voodoo5 5500, with fast ram, but I don't know if 32MB TSOP86 chips even exist. 128MB per chip is possible, Komponent did that mod to a Voodoo4 4500.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/691904837/MT48LC4M32B2P_7_IT_G.html

those are 16MB modules if I'm not mistaken, but they are only 143Mhz. Sad

These are 5.5ns

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MT48LC2M32B2TG-55-TSOP86-MICRON-FREE-SHIPPING/459...

That is 183Mhz ram, but only 8MB per chip, so no go in more ram Sad

Voodoo4 mounts 8 RAM chip, using 16MB RAM per chip you can reach 128MB, but no more since I doubt that 32MB 86TSOP-II per chip does exist, we are speaking of SDRAMs, not DDRAMs afterall. The Voodoo5 mounts MAX 4 RAM chip per VSA-100. So you cannot have your cake and eat it at the same time.

The mod isn't still a flawless success anyway. It turns out that there are different card behaviours depending on OS and motherboard used.

[Emperor Palpatine mode on]Henceforth you shall be known as Darth dreamwrecker [Emperor mode off] LOL

But seriously, that really sucks, max for a 5500 is therefor 128MB. Is there any way to be sure if those 32MB chips exist??

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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #11 - 03.12.13 at 19:55:07

Even modding the card to reach 128MB we cannot be sure if the card could benefit of extra RAM completely, so at some time keep to adding more and more RAM begins to be wasteful, if you ask me. 128MB would be enough, so I wouldn't take it bad.

BTW, if you really care about it, the only way to know some 32MB chip RAM would be simply search for them, but I have serious doubts you could find any. As I stated previously we're speaking about SDRAMs, not DDRAMs. At the time 16MB per chip were at the edges of market needs while fastest DDRAMs came out already. The only scenario I could imagine is something like cache for hard disk drives (32MB). But don't forget you don't need common SDRAM chip but 86TSOP-II RAMs! They were pretty unpopular and expensive at the time, I don't think we're going to find them on hard drives.

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Komponent Senior Member Offline 3dfx modder Posts: 282	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #12 - 03.12.13 at 20:29:55 Modding with 32Mb chips was already tried with no luck: http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1364630437/60
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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #13 - 03.12.13 at 21:52:35

https://www.verical.com/category/511-RAM/520-DRAM-Chip#searchName=&_i_=1&searchT...

these are 143Mhz 32MB chips, so they do exist.

Could it be that the vsa-100 can handle 128MB per chip, but with a max of 16MB per chip, thus crippling the 5500 cause of it's "lack" of ram spots?

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/IS42S32800D-6TL/IS42S32800D-6TL-ND/1831...

I found 166Mhz chips too, but I can't find faster ones yet Sad

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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #14 - 03.12.13 at 22:25:52

Komponent wrote on 03.12.13 at 20:29:55:

Modding with 32Mb chips was already tried with no luck:
http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1364630437/60

That means that a 6000 can only achieve 256MB max, right?!

But what about those quantum3d cards with 512MB, how many ram spots do those have?? I would guess 8 vsa-100 chips with 64MB per chip.

Looking at the picture of an 8164 it has 64 ram spots with8MB modules, so in theory it could be modded with 32MB chips, because it has all the required ram channels, as the 4500 does, right? Or am I missing something??
If true it could make a 2GB 8164 card a possibility, right??

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« Last Edit: 03.12.13 at 22:30:18 by ultima »

3DFX Playrig:

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Dual Opteron 280 @ 2.4Ghz (4 cores)
4 x 1GB PC3200
3DFX Voodoo5 5500MAC PCI
WD 160GB ATA100/133
Diamond MonsterSound MX300
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