got it for 50 US$

good deal, or what?

Built 3300, Rev.A1

http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/sloomy/2004102625145_DSCN0237.JPG

Nice piece!
50$ with or without shipping?

Congratulations TM30,
Very NICE CARD. I paid much more for the same card. Where have you bought it? Ebay?

ps. Be careful, it doesn't work to 1.5V.  ;)

Regards,
Oscar

without shipping...

osckhar what did you pay?

i've read that your card doesnt function anymore... did you use it in a newer mainboard?

Very nice, hiding on Ebay somewhere?

heh well luck.. morely like a fair cöincidence by finding one  :)

anyways, it's a Rev.A1 3300 ;) not a Rev. 3300 A1, sorry but I am quite precise on the naming of the Revisions and PCB dates of the cards correctly, as I did in my big list :)
http://www.x-3dfx.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=23

anyway it does not work on 1.5Volt AGP x4 slots be aware, like osckhar said earlier. but 50USD is a nice bargain for a AGP x4 5500 AGP , that is nice, looks like SLoomy's card.

I was going to ask about that- Why the link to Sloomys card?

card is on route... was the best image i could find  ;D

@Obi-Wan_Kenobi

i wrote it correctly... please read again...: Built 3300, Rev.A1

and no, i won't tell it from where i got it. its not ebay  8)

Rev.A1 3300 indeed I aimed @ Sloomy's card because he's one of the few that have or had a 5500 AGP x4 in Deutschland :)

The top says Rev.A1 and the bottom says 3300, so you read Rev.A1 3300, anyways the most logical way to read is from top to bottom orsay from front to back ;)

but is is quite small compaired to a 5500 AGP x2 they measure only 21.5 CM in length the same size as a Ti4600 :P

anyway this is how I found out about that it's Sloomy's card. here is Sloomy's card and his word's:

@ obi wan

sure , here is one old shot i have taken once in a while, more photos will be taken in a few days. :)
http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/sloomy/2004102625145_DSCN0237.JPG

here is where I got the photo of Sloomy's card just as a proof of evidence:
http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=717&whichpage=7

here TM30's card:
http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/sloomy/2004102625145_DSCN0237.JPG

if you look at the PRODUCT OF MEXICO sticker, the markings are exactly the same, no difference at all, sorry but as a model maker I look at the finest detail, and also the photo you showed us is a photo of Sloomy's card from 3dfxzone.it ;) , the Rev.A1 3300 is  alot more uncommon than the later model Rev.A2 3300 and Rev.A2 3700 :). Sloomy was also one of the few that had a Rev.A1 3300 and not Rev.A2 3300 .


even the markings on the metal part that covers the molex connector are the same, in the center of that metal part there is a round hole and right to that there are some small dot like markings , even the scratches on the table on which the card is laying are placed in the same direction :), so there fore I am defintely sure this is Sloomy's card ;D
I have Jedi Master's Vision, which is hard to underestimate.

yes, it is definitly my shot taken special for Obi Wan.

Master, you have definitly eyes of an eagle, i have also thought, i know this shot from somewhere..

I already have the card, but had no time to take more nice shots of it, sorry for this Master   ::)

no fear my Apprentice :D hehe no worries at all, but yeah i just knew it by look'n at the white table on which it is laying and some other nice aspects. ;) And don't worry Sloomy your card is a beauty, a real Beauty like all others that exsist. ;)

wrote on 28.04.05 at 00:31:00:

card is on route... was the best image i could find  ;D

oh my god... why such comparisons with the images. i already wrote that its not my picture. please read again or look at my quotes
:P

alright,
its clear on that,
now gary offered me the same card sometime ago,
but Just never had the cash to offer him anything..
but definately won't get it for $50

so you got yourself a very good deal TM30

wrote on 28.04.05 at 19:42:17:

oh my god... why such comparisons with the images. i already wrote that its not my picture. please read again or look at my quotes :P

yeah okay but it doesn't mean it's not Sloomy's card hehe oh well nice find TM30, your card hehe. ;)

are ya gonna test it with FSAA x4 in UT 4.36 in 32Bit Glide, man that looks very nice, I already tried it with Amigamerlin 3.1 R6 under Win2K Pro SP4, it looks like that the the game has alittle more detail and it's abit dakrker also.

The feature you must use for this effect is Force Glide 32bit Rendering :)

@ Edmund but anywayz yeah I sense your point, would of been a great and worthy deal though   ::)

wrote on 29.04.05 at 13:10:13:

are ya gonna test it with FSAA x4 in UT 4.36 in 32Bit Glide, man that looks very nice, I already tried it with Amigamerlin 3.1 R6 under Win2K Pro SP4, it looks like that the the game has alittle more detail and it's abit dakrker also. The feature you must use for this effect is Force Glide 32bit Rendering :)

does it only work with this special voodoo5? dont think so ?!

just like gary would said now... the luck continues ;)

got it for only 7,49 Euro

http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/f0/1f/19_1_b.JPG

this one did not last very long on ebay... buy it now 9,99€ ;D

http://i17.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/f8/4d/f3_1_b.JPG

sorry I don't believe in luck, but it's more a way of getting and getting not :)
the Vero3D is still the wierdest brand I've ever seen though... I belive that Vero3D comes from Ucraine

yeah i know... i wrote it in an ironic view... just look at the title of this topic and then compare it to another topic in this forum... ya know what i mean ;) ?

yeah I do mate anywayzz nice deal mate :P how was your weekend btw?

Couple of nice catches there, the Mac board is a really nice piece.

Very cool to see it render in a window on one of my Mac test computers.

yeah i think i'm gonna buy a mac... yours would be cool but shipping costs would so damn f*ckin high...

group shot  ;D

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album36/boxes.jpg

omg!

i cannot believe it.

i gotta tell you.

you won't believe me.

this morning i bought a Voodoo 5 5000 PCI... for 15 GBP "buy it now" at ebay :o thats 28US$ or 22€ 8)

the auction only lasted one hour... and i have to thank my car, because i brought it to the repair service this morning.... ;D

http://www.v3info.de/english/images/cards/voodoo5-5000_sm.jpg  

was it descripted as a 5500 or a 5000 ?
if it was don't descripted as a 5000 i mean the seller only take a picture from a searchpage to show his card and taken the wrong one ;)

it was described, pictured and titled as a 5000

described with 32MB RAM ...

i asked him. the acutal item IS PICTURED


YIPPPPPIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE  8)

congratulations  :D

it's bad i have absolutely no money to buy any 3dfx items this time.... have to buy two years of tax to my country  :-/

how much is such card worth? in other words, what did other  collectors pay for it? (question goes out to everyone...)

Depends.

I can't tell exactly, since I got mine from the 2nd Collection, but it should be around 250 Euro (or more)

omg!

how many cards did come out? are they all "not for resale" marked?

They should all be marked Not For Resale, but it is possible a few got into the hands of OEM Sellers.

Not sure how many exist, but it is almost as elusive (if not more) than a Voodoo5 6000 actually.

Gary's last shot with 4 Voodoo5 5000 was IMHO the only one of its kind, never saw so many Voodoo5 5000 in one picture.

And chances of happening again are slim as one 5000 AGP card is now in your hands and the other is in Rolo's.

Unless we get together for a party  ;D

nevertheless i am very happy with this 5000... as you can imagine  ;D

I paid $566 for mine on ebay,
VMAN's card as stated on the collector's board page.

so getting it for that price.
does leave me very envious. Congratulations nevertheless.

I'm still hoping to come across a good V 5000 AGP or brown box to finish up the retail box collection that I so wanted to have ever since 2001

are there boxed 5000 out there?? only saw some pics in the net from that box...

... with a good printer you can make it on your own  ;D

the 5000s are prototypes that never made it to retail.
so there should not be any ones with boxes.

already clearly stated with the "NOT FOR RESALE" sticker =)

I am curious if there will be any "not for resale" sticker on my upcoming 5000.... i doubt it!

cause the seller said he purchased it regularly as bulk ware (but with a driver cd...)

wrote on 15.05.05 at 00:31:08:

I am curious if there will be any "not for resale" sticker on my upcoming 5000.... i doubt it! cause the seller said he purchased it regularly as bulk ware (but with a driver cd...)

bulk ware? wow... in otherwords like OEM.
protos come in bulk? hmm... now thats something new.
Let us know if its really a prototype or some other V5 retail card.
since the 5000 and 5500 looks similiar for a person who isn't really into 3dfx.

All the 5000 PCI cards I have seen were made early 2000, they were never "production" cards.

It could be argued a few 5500 AGP x 4 were sold as production cards at the end since really it is no different then a regular 5500 except for the PCB.

Congratulations on your extreemly cheap 5000 PCI 8) 8) 8) , these are also thing that can make me happiy and feel better, let's hope it's not a defect card, cause it was sold for so less.  ::)

but are you really sure it is a 5000 PCI cause some seller's don't even know what you're talk'n about sometimes, like I had with my Voodoo3 2000 PCI SGRAM with silver cooler, the seller said it was a 3000 PCI haha he even tried to make believe it was a 300 PCI cause of it's silver cooler, well I showed him that it was a 2000 PCI afterall, well never heard from that seller again :) oh well was still nice to ave though for 12 euro's included postal services.

no it clearly stated "working" in the auction... but even it would be defective, its a rare card, man! much more rare than the 6000

i hope that its really a 5000 and not a 5500... but the seller says that the image matches the actual card...

Nice find that 5 5000 PCI ;)
Sometimes cards show up on the strangest places, sometimes extremely cheap.

My 3dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 4 4500 AGP was only €15,-. That's cheap for a retail card.
But that's not the end of the story. I found it on a fair (HCC Dagen, biggest fair of the Benelux. It's open 3 days a year) on the 3rd and last day. About 30 minutes before closing time that card showed up  8)
Some things are just amazing ;D

And, finally I posted my collection in the "3dfx Collectors on this Board" topic.  ;)

A word of advice-

The deal isn't done till the box is in your hand.

wrote on 15.05.05 at 14:39:38:

A word of advice- The deal isn't done till the box is in your hand.

True, I have bought 2 cards a while ago and they never arrived...

These days I do not tell someone I bought a 3dfx card, I tell them if I actually have the card in home and made sharp pictures by my self ;).
It's frustrating to say : I've bought a card and it's very cool etc. etc. and the card never arrives  :-X

wrote on 15.05.05 at 14:44:37:

It's frustrating to say : I've bought a card and it's very cool etc. etc. and the card never arrives  :-X

Or the card pictured isn't what shows up, I (and others) have had that happen.

yep i am still worried that this card might be a PCI 5500

but even if... this card is also more worth than 15 GBP (22EURO)...

lets hope its really a 5000...

eitherway it is already a good deal whether a 5500 PCI or a 5000 PCI

all the best to that transaction.

thanks....

if it's a 5500 PCI... anyone interested in ::) ?

For $28.00 USD?

Quote:

if it's a 5500 PCI... anyone interested in  ?

You keep it for me! ;) I want it! :P

Oscar

wrote on 16.05.05 at 06:44:32:

You keep it for me! ;) I want it! :P Oscar

Well here you go. If you don't want to re-list it on ebay, Qscar will take it off your hands.


I hope for your sake, you get the card your hoping for a 5000 ;)

I never saw the auction. Can you post a link to it. I would like to see the listing :o

Sorry, didn't know you didn't want to have the link posted...

wrote on 15.05.05 at 14:00:39:

its a rare card, man! much more rare than the 6000 .

Well it depends on which 6000 you're aiming at ofcourse, a Voodoo5 6000 41-4999 2x2 model and a Rev.A1 1500 with Intel Bridge chips are way more rarer than a 5000 PCI ;) even a Rev.A2 2600 and Rev.A3 3400 are more rarer than a 5000 PCI Rev.A1 0900.
But yes it is rarer than a Voodoo5 6000 Rev.A 3700 ofcourse.

oh well it may not be 3dfx, but this ATi RadeonX800 XT Platinum Edition seems to be rare also :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=96879&item=5197265479&rd=1

a real sealed ATi, no sub branded X800XT PE ;)
http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/c3/7d/ca_1_b.JPG

and here a nice Power Color EvilKing IV boxed :)
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32193&item=5197633322&rd=1
http://i15.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/14/5c/b1_1_b.JPG

please remove this, Eye-Q >:(

Yeap, good box, I have the X800 XL version

I wish you the best of luck but think you have been jake'd as we state here in the US.

The image from the auction-

http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/05/98/2d_1_b.JPG

Is this one resized-

http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp?FotoAlbumID=15460&format=full&ext=.jpg

this is not new to me. i already have compared these two images... (google imagesearch)

but the seller said the card is identical. and in the auction he wrote "32mb"


so chances are good that its acutally a 5000

wrote on 16.05.05 at 19:47:35:

but the seller said the card is identical.

Yes, right down to the identical fan decal clocked location, smudged "made in mexico" decal and paper tag string on the upper right hand corner.


Quote:

and in the auction he wrote "32mb"

Which is what DirectX tools will report a 5500 AGP/PCI has for ram as it only sees one chipset.

you do not want that its a 5000... come on, i can see in what words you wrote this lines...  :-X

so from now i wont say anything more about this card, damn it.

you see Eye-Q, thats why i wanted to hide this auction... >:(

Not at all, I just have a hardcore view of reality, you can fool others but don't try and fool yourself as that way lies madness.

Heck I won a Graphite system last week but as far as I'm concerned I don't own it till the UPS truck pulls out of the driveway and the box is open at my feet. A dozen things can happen between the time you buy something and it shows up.

I have lost count of the number of times I purchased something and was burned, you learn quick not to say anything till the box is in hand.

I'm just pointing that the picture in the auction is the same picture floating around the net, what would you infer from that?

Quote:

I never saw the auction. Can you post a link to it. I would like to see the listing

I could not resist. I had to see the listing now. There was just too much controversy surrounding this item.

A link would have saved me some trouble but hey now you guys really got me wondering.

I jumped on ebay and did a worldwide search on "completed items" and searched for "3dfx 5000"

I got 2 hits both from the same seller, titled the same.

"Amiga 3dfx Voodoo5 5000 PCI"

Both within about a week of each other. One of them is clearly a Voodoo3 and this was in the Q & A section:


Quote:

Q: Hello. Is it a Voodoo3 3000 or a Voodoo5 5500? Thank you May-12-05   A: hi, its a voodoo3 3000, I tried to amend title, but it was to late as auction had started.

Which is a joke as a seller I can alter auction titles or amend up to a few hours before auction end.

Honestly, I am hoping the best for TM30's sake.

I know for a fact that if I would have seen that auction with a BIN option at that price I would have jumped on it first, then ask questions later. I remember once there were "3 available" in a auction for a V5 5500 AGP. I refreshed the screen and it was down to 2... I was trying to bid as fast as I could (wasn't logged in) by the time I got my password in they are gone. The BIN price was $9.95 USD

Hoping for the best for you TM30.

But even if if does turn out to be a 5500 PCI, there is still some money to be made on it if you care to take the time to re-list it.

IMO you can't lose ;)

i still don't see why tm30 should be upset in anycase.
if you choose to post this topic online,
then don't always hope for favorable replies as feedback.

its just opinions as members of the forum.
we indeed hope that the card you won is actually a 5000.

but through experience as gamma and gary has mentioned, things may not turn out the way as advertised. Especially when the price is too good to be true, one can only be suspecious. At least expect the worst case scenario so that you will not be dissapointed.

I've personally corrected many people, on listing errors simply not to mislead potential buyers.

In anycase, hope you don't misunderstand.

anyway, I agree with Gary, you can be sure on what it is untill you've seen it with your own eyes ;)

anyway 22 bucks for a 5000 PCI is abit hard to believe, I think the seller is a spoof, but we will see later on, on my point of view, see'n is believ'n  8)

8MB

... 0,99GBP  ;D

http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/0b/51/02_1_b.JPG

cool :P a Voodoo2 with the newer 3dfx logo's :) must be a year 2000 model I suppose.

wrote on 17.05.05 at 18:42:48:

8MB

Should be a 12MB card, Powercolor Voodoo II with late model logos were only 12 MB with ram on only one side of the board.

hmm the seller wrote 8MB...

As I stated in my private e-mail, most sellers can't tell a 3dfx card from a hole in the ground.

You will find out one way or another when the card comes in, but by the time the STB logo Voodoo II's were being made (2000) everyone had stopped making 8MB V2 cards for some time.

never had voodoo 2s with the new logo,
its a good buy for 0.99 GBP
ironically, even my Voodoo 4s do not have 3dfx fans on it
a rev 3300,

keep getting the olde stuff

wrote on 17.05.05 at 21:24:51:

never had voodoo 2s with the new logo, its a good buy for 99 GBP ironically, even my Voodoo 4s do not have 3dfx fans on it a rev 3300, keep getting the olde stuff

I have 4 Voodoo 4's. Only one of them has the 3dfx fan ;). It's just less common  :)

what is the PCB rev for the one with 3dfx fans?

wrote on 17.05.05 at 21:24:51:

never had voodoo 2s with the new logo, its a good buy for 99 GBP ironically, even my Voodoo 4s do not have 3dfx fans on it a rev 3300, keep getting the olde stuff

no, not 99GBP ... 0,99 GBP ;)

got it fixed. thanks.

yeah and i am still searching for a VSA100 board with newer 3dfx fans... are these the newest cards? i have here an AGP V4 4500 PCB Date 3700 but it has AAVID Fan...

For some time I thought the same but it is not the case. I have seen older cards with 3dfx fans and newer card with AAVID fans. Maybe its random?

i have seen fewer V4's with 3dfx fans, but still a common thing not that special. A V2 with newer 3dfx logo's are indeed from PowerColor, they were very common here also. An d yeaps your model is a 12meg card, a friend of mine has that one too. 12x 1MB

wrote on 18.05.05 at 07:21:42:

what is the PCB rev for the one with 3dfx fans?

The PCB Date is 3300.
The card is OEM  :)

Remember what I said about saying nothing till the box was in hand?

UPS lost a package that was suppose to be in today, now they claim it was mis-routed to some depot in a hell-hole 3000 miles away and I'll not see it till MAYBE next Tuesday!

UGH.

wrote on 18.05.05 at 18:17:34:

The PCB Date is 3300. The card is OEM  :)

hmm, same PCB date too, unless its OEM to be considered a different batch.

as for gary, hope UPS gets your item to you.

i have two 3dfx fans...both came on 3700 v4 4500 AFAIK!

but one it damaged...and now they are replacement parts ;) these AAVID fans look better :P

hehe, for display purposes, the 3dfx logo does look awesome

you are right...i saw a pic of a v5 6000 with four 3dfx fans! disgusting! with AAVID fans it is the most beautiful card :D

wrote on 19.05.05 at 22:39:50:

you are right...i saw a pic of a v5 6000 with four 3dfx fans! disgusting! with AAVID fans it is the most beautiful card :D

Disgusting ?
I know someone who haves the Voodoo 5 6000 with new 3dfx fans. It looks just awesome  ;D
But after all, that only my opinion about it ;)

Like this :

http://home.student.utwente.nl/t.m.bruintjes/v56000_3dfxfans.jpg

I love it!  :) but everybody can have his own opinion on that.
Personally I think the 3dfx fans make the card a bit more 3dfx.
The best thing is: I did not put these fans on the card, they
came with it...

Or this?

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album108/4_3Dfx_fan.thumb.jpg
HIGH RESOLUTION

ps. I prefer 3Dfx fans!  ;D

Regards,
Oscar

My Humble Opinion...

I like Thermshield fan (fan with 3dfx logo) very much ;)
But, i prefer cards with only one (max two) of this fan....[Like Voodoo4 4500; wonderful!!]

On Voodoo5 6000, 4 rolling 3dfx fans are too much for me ;)

Any way, they are cool, of course :)

well the most important thing is it does not matter what type of sticker there is on the fan, but if they keep on turning while in operation heh that's my most important part. ::)

The problem is that the card is faced upside down in the PC so when in use the fans can't be seen that easily, unless there is a case on the market from which you can mount the Mobo upside down so then the Fans can be made visible....

Anyone have an idea for this?


Anyway yes it does look sweet, but it's not a must, ofcourse.
a Voodoo5 5500 with Blorbs looks kinda nice, I must say, Blorbs = Blue Orbs ;)

As you can tell in the picture the pin is crooked cause for some reason the 3DFX post holes are farther apart then the Blorb.  it made the pins hit the fan.... No good.
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/firstblorb.jpg

therefore he used Tiewraps instead, always works :)
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/zippedblorb.jpg

over here you can see that the modder filed away some of the Blorb's material to make it fit neatly without hitting the capacitators ;)
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/groundoff2.jpg
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/groundoff1.jpg

http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/done.jpg

and here the difference between AAvid's and Blobs, you will loosea PCI slot when go'n for the Blorbs though.
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/installedblorb.jpg
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/stocknonblorb.jpg

I believe i have seen those modded cards go on ebay before.
Don't remember it fetching a good price because it is no longer original.

But surely, with those kinda fans, it definately cools the card by alot.

Yeah it should do well, I'm wondering if it is possible to mod those Blorbs with Clear fan bladed coolers and Blue Leds, would give the Voodoo5 more look with alittle eye candy :)

I dunno if it would be possible on a Voodoo5 6000, hence I don't PWN one hehe.

But Omega_Supreme is that a pic of you Rev.A 3900?

Yes it is my card ;)

Im pretty sure it cannot be done to a voodoo 5 6000
because the VSA100 chips are located alot closer next
to eachoter.  Anyway, just suppose they would fit, would
you really like those coolers better then the original?

And next to that, removing the old ones can be pretty
risky I think. Wasnt the method: put in the freeze and
after a while put a screwgriver inder the heatsink and
pop it off? :o I sure wouldnt be willing to remove my
original fans that way. Is ther not a more safe way ?

unless u can find a whole block heasink with a cooler,
and have the fans situated above that block of heat sink, I believe its duable,
but not individual cooling for each VSA-100 chip

What about the massive 3dfx cooler Gary has ;).
He was installing it on a Voodoo 5 6000 I read somewhere ?.

I hope there will be (highres) pictures soon  :D

yeah apparently that cooler is supposed to be for the V5 6000
don't know any progress,
but he will definately have to drill.

only the markings are made on the board.
but not really a solid hole.

and considering the price he paid for one of those cards,
im sure he will take his time to attach that heatsink with fan =)

<way off top post snipped>


Quote:

and on this photo the top right Voodoo5 6000 Rev.A1 1500 does have the Fan Layout of your proto V56K Cooler Gary

http://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/Rolo01/200411522159_6000LOT.jpg

If you look at the photo you will clearly see that there is PCB between the fans and they have AAvid logos to boot. Already ran this picture by Hank too, he states it looks like someone attached 4 spare heatsink and fans to the ram.

I thought it was a proto 8 x VSA-100 board when I first saw it.

wrote on 20.05.05 at 13:10:26:

He was installing it on a Voodoo 5 6000 I read somewhere ?

Yes it's being installed.

Let TM30's thread drift back on topic guys, open a new thread if you wish to discuss fans.

whats this?

http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/27/3f/42_1_b.JPG

A picture posted on Ebay swiped from Sharky Extreme.

http://www.sharkygames.com/hardware/voodoo3_r/d.shtml

Do I get a gold star?

lol...

do you own this card too? its a 3500 isnt it?

yeah i recently won this card. the seller says its identical as on this image...  ::) we'll see. If yes, great deal. if not, 20Euros for nothing  ;D

... btw. my Voodoo 5 5000 (or 5500  ::)) is still not here. And the seller doesnt respond. oh my god... i only can wait a few days, than i will write him again...  :-[

wrote on 26.05.05 at 23:34:18:

do you own this card too? its a 3500 isnt it?

Early prototype boards with fan, I have two brown ones and one black one.

One of the brown boards is clocked at 183, the other 2 are clocked at 164.

I'm going to hang on to only one (the 183 mhz board) and sell or trade off the other two.

you'Re actually selling lots of stuff... why do you not show your galery at 3dfx.ch?


--------------

what do you think happened with my upcoming 5000? might the seller saw that this card is much more worth or even got a better offer and sold it to another one? Last one i do not hope, and he said in his last mail he sent the card to me... that was on 12.May i think...

wrote on 26.05.05 at 23:53:29:

you'Re actually selling lots of stuff...

Not really in an active way, nor is everything shown. Some of the stuff might be on Ebay next week.

Re-arranging  the gallerys to my liking.


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what do you think happened with my upcoming 5000?

I don't have an opinion.

oh yeah i was gonna ask updates on your V 5000 TM30
have u received it?   :o

no the card is still not here yet... i have a very bad feeling about this. the seller  has 220 feedback with 100% positive transactions...

he also does not respond to my email. all i can do is wait. then i will leave a negative feedback and will use the paypal buyer protection so i will get my money back. but first i'll wait a few days more but the chances are small that this card ever really will arrive to me.

I assume that maybe someone "bid" more then me  :-/

wrote on 27.05.05 at 18:15:45:

I assume that maybe someone "bid" more then me  :-/

Not logical- If so the seller would have promptly contacted you with some story about broken or missing item and refunded your money.

Otherwise he is taking a needless risk of a negitive on a perfect feedback profile.

I totally agree. Worst case, you will receive a 5500 by a listing error :-/

I have worked really hard to have 62 positive feedbacks 100%. If I made a mistake, I would do everything reasonable to correct the problem and maintain 100% positive.

sorry i have to correct myself. he has 240 with 98,8% positive... no negative feedback in last 12months...

so i should "calm down" and wait.

(because i just made another fantastic deal at ebay with buy it now, but i will not tell it, yet... when the card is in my hands  i will do it...)

today the seller of the "5000" answerd... phew... now lets wait

That's good news :)

Did it Ship? Any idea when you might receive it?

I thought it was relatively near you. European area that is.

he used a cheap method of shipping without tracking?

wrote on 30.05.05 at 04:23:46:

That's good news :) Did it Ship? Any idea when you might receive it? I thought it was relatively near you. European area that is.

yeah he did ship it... he just verified my adress. he checked if he have sent it to the right adress  ::) shipping fee was 4,50 GBP... so i doubt that it was insured or does have a tracking code...

i still asume that this card went to another owner who payed more than me  :-/ (even since i won the auction...)

so i am saying it again: lets hope and wait... and then negative feedback on ebay... and paypal buyer protection so i can get my money back if the card doesnt arrive...

wrote on 30.05.05 at 18:55:04:

i still asume that this card went to another owner who payed more than me  :-/ (even since i won the auction...

You are too funny.

What you need most is patience with the seller.

I've had many cases where they simply were a bit lazy sending it (and too embarassed to admit it).

Add to that, that (depending on service used) it can cause an additional week of delay if customs catched the Package.

I usually let a month pass, before I really start looking deeper into it.
So far, everything always arrived within that timeframe.

wrote on 30.05.05 at 20:41:50:

You are too funny.

I'am serious  >:(


@Falconfly...

yeah yeah i'll have to wait. I can't do something else yet. I will wait with negative feedback (he already gave me positive feedback)

Well, that's a very good sign actually.
Just wait, it may be annoying but it will pay off :)

wrote on 30.05.05 at 23:04:40:

Well, that's a very good sign actually. Just wait, it may be annoying but it will pay off :)

That is a good sign!! If he was going to burn you, he probably would hold back on the feedback to neg you after and if you neg him.

I was burned once, the more I complained, the more he threatened negative feedback. I waited 89 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 50 seconds after the auction closed then negged him. Man was he pi$$ed that it was too late for him to neg me back :P

Other than that, I have always left positive feedback. I lost over $300.00 USD. But was refunded $175.00 from ebay. Still, I took a loss :-/

i waited for over 3 weeks on something from canada and im here in u.s, sometimes things are slower than we want.

wrote on 31.05.05 at 01:30:41:

That is a good sign!! If he was going to burn you, he probably would hold back on the feedback to neg you after and if you neg him. I was burned once, the more I complained, the more he threatened negative feedback. I waited 89 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 50 seconds after the auction closed then negged him. Man was he pi$$ed that it was too late for him to neg me back :P Other than that, I have always left positive feedback. I lost over $300.00 USD. But was refunded $175.00 from ebay. Still, I took a loss :-/

yup, same case that happened to me here,
mine was a genuine fraud case, and I did not receive full refund. Think i was close to almost 60% and thats it
"Paypal regrets this incident"
As much as the protection policy holds.
Its in condition with how much can paypal claim from the seller's existing account and back up funds.

In my case, I filed a fraud report against the guy, it was investigated, and I won the case. My refund was from ebay, $175.00 is the maximum amount.

It took a lot of my time but it was worth it. Not so much the money (which was nice) the the personal satisfaction that I won. Hopefully more people will take the time to persue these matters so that these dead-beats will get their ebay accounts shutdown.

i do not think that the seller of the "5000" wanted to "steal" my money... its just not worth when dealing with around 20Euros...

There are only two possibilities. 1. the package got lost or 2. someone payed more then me.

Btw. It's still not here. I think i can give up to hope that this card ever will come in my hands  :-/

TM30,

I really do hope that you get that 5000.

I think the card is in route and will arrive on the 10th.

wrote on 02.06.05 at 00:57:57:

In my case, I filed a fraud report against the guy, it was investigated, and I won the case. My refund was from ebay, $175.00 is the maximum amount. It took a lot of my time but it was worth it. Not so much the money (which was nice) the the personal satisfaction that I won. Hopefully more people will take the time to persue these matters so that these dead-beats will get their ebay accounts shutdown.

I guess in my case, it wasn't that worth while afterall.
definately a good experience.
but with Paypal I can safely say that nothing is too secure to just sit back and relax until the transaction has really gone through

card is still not in my hands  :-/

Hi TM30,
Oh dear that's sad to hear, let's still hope it's a 5K PCI indeed, but the Deutsche PÅost isn't fast so let's hope that that is the case for now.

yeah but it always went so fast from UK to germany... why the heck this time not?

the seller said he shipped it with the cheapest way (only 1,58 GBP or so...), perhaps this is the reason? but now its almost 3 weeks... chances are bad  :-/

Not so bad....

Seller used cheaper way to ship to you. Usually 2 weeks i have to wait from UK with normal shipping......So my advise is to wait at least anothe week......after 4 weeks of delay, possible problem :-/

if he use surface mail (cheapest method) can take from 4 to 6 weeks

from UK (England) to Germany???? really ??? these countries are so close together...

yes, cause the way the guy syent the card doesn't use airmail....so the mail will be shipped over the sea and this can really take about one month or longer  ::)

oh my god... and i payed 5GBP for shipping :-X but if this card ever is in my hands and actually is a 5000 it was worth it  8)

wrote on 02.06.05 at 05:22:45:

TM30, I think the card is in route and will arrive on the 10th.

I'm still betting on the 10th ;)

fingers crossed  ;D

at this time i am a little bit ill (whats Grippe in english ;) ? ) and that 5000 would really ease the pain  ::) 8) ;D

all in all,
clearly an inexperienced seller,
because its an overseas shipping

and to use the cheapest method really exposes the item to alot of risk like lost or delay.

unless requested by the buyer and that the buyer should take all risk upon that request.

"Grippe" in english should be something like "you got the ´flu".

god damnit its still not here...

at least he will refund my money...  :-/ but the card would be better XD

but finally i have a fully working daytona 4200 here, so its a little "Trostpflaster" *lol*

Quote:

at least he will refund my money...

Has he already done this? ....or are you waiting for?

i said him that we finally should wait some days cause you guys said that it could last about 1month till i get it...

he wrote that he will go to the post office and refund... BUT i do not think that it was insured when he used the cheapest method to send me the card (about 1,5GBP) .... oh my F*cking goodness, why didnt he insured the package... so we would also have a tracking code and would know where it got stuck.... this makes me so angry  >:(

bye the way, this is the reciept he sent me, a confirmation that i really was sended out...:

http://img88.echo.cx/img88/6749/po6ys.png

wrote on 13.06.05 at 19:42:00:

he wrote that he will go to the post office and refund... BUT i do not think that it was insured when he used the cheapest method to send me the card (about 1,5GBP)

I have a dumb question- 1.5GBP seems awful cheap, when I have had stuff shipped from the UK it was rare that it was less then 10GBP even by surface shipping.

yeah i mixed sth. up... it was 2,59GBP... look at the reciept!

It does say...

Dest: Germany  (E.U.)

And the weight sounds about right.

But it's past the date I thought it would arrive. I am beginning to lose hope.

Sorry TM30 :'(

yeap, it will never cost so cheap actually for overseas shipment.
that price sounds like a domestic shipment in all case.

since he did not insure it and did show proof of shipping
hmm,

wonder if rightfully he has to pay for lost of package,

My experience as a seller, i refunded the full amount  (Item only) to the buyer.
Thank god, one month later, he got the package.
and sent the money back to me via paypal.
of course the biggest gainers were paypal.
>:(

lol funny thing, look at the time of shipment on the reciept... my last hope: 13:37  8)

www.postoffice.co.uk (adress on the reciept)

it says...

surface mail

"Delivery to Western Europe is likely to be up to two weeks, up to four weeks for Eastern Europe, and up to eight weeks for the rest of the world

Postage includes compensation cover of up to £30 for loss and damage. Additional compensation cover is available for more valuable items by using International Signed For®"

Quote:

Delivery to Western Europe is likely to be up to two weeks, up to four weeks for Eastern Europe, and up to eight weeks for the rest of the world

Is Germany considered Eastern or Western Europe? On my map it looks central. If your Eastern, then you still have a couple more days.

Mhm :-/...sorry but I think Germany is considered Western......Estern are for example Russia and other balkan countries i think....

Germany is considered Western Europe

hmm Germany is considered as Central  Europe actually ;) The Netherlands, Belgium , Luxembourg, and france are considered as Western Europe,

Greetz from Kristiansund, Norge. :)

in anycase, it should arrive by now.

but its still not here :(

i really think that some other guy is now happy with MY card...

hmm, or sometimes when it is lost in post,
it may arrive someday when u have given up on all hopes

so now the seller will refund me... i've wrote him that the card is still not here...

he will also claim at the post office for refund... but i think that this sending was not insured, for sure! 2,5GBP international shipping is so damn few bucks...

good thing at least none is lost.

really really strange... i bought an Obisidian S12 really cheap at ebay.co.uk at the 27.05 and this card is still not in my hands... this is gonne be ridiciulous!!!!!  :-/

Nice!! I have a cable if you need it ;D

wrote on 21.06.05 at 02:44:22:

Nice!! I have a cable if you need it ;D

no... seems like i also do not get this card in my hands...

ridiculous... or should i say suspicious? two rare cards in a row for a total dumping price and both are not here yet...

or are there probably problems in sending int. from england to germany... cause 2 cards from 2 different sellers... both not here after 1 month... CRAZY!!!!!!!!!

did you pay for insured shipping? or did you make it as cheap as possible?

What is this sellers response to the situation :-/

wrote on 21.06.05 at 21:26:52:

did you pay for insured shipping? or did you make it as cheap as possible?

i payed 5GBP shipping... i dont know if its insured! I did not tell him that he should do this...

@gamma742

no response! email went out yesterday!

Code:

no response! email went out yesterday!

What does the sellers feedback look like?

6 positive, no negatives

but i really think that the seller sent it out! i suspect the british or german post office!

does it actually cost so cheap to have parcels sent between europe?

like the ones with insurance and a tracking number namely EMS type ?

yes, a padded envelope or a small package  from england to germany is really not so expensive... but from germany to england it is!

so today i got my money back for that 5000 and an answer to my question if he sold the card to another collector for more bucks.... he only said that he had almost 300 positive transactions and he refunded me so quickly cause i had to wait 4 weeks and so he want to bring this deal to an end...

IT STINKS!!!!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

----

and still no answer from the seller of the obsidian S-12  :-X :(

god damnit, this is so f.uckin crazy, i cannot believe it.

just a stretch of rough times,
it will get better
;)

im suprise someone with such a good feedback score mess up pretty badly with the risk of surface mail

wrote on 22.06.05 at 19:37:41:

just a stretch of rough times, it will get better ;) im suprise someone with such a good feedback score mess up pretty badly with the risk of surface mail

i asked him again, "want to know the truth bla bla" ... now he clearly says that he did not sell it to someone other and he apologizes that he uses surface mail... he shipped the first time internationally...

okay i only have to believe him. perhaps the card will arrive in a few days, there is still a chance, since the other card is also still not here... there MUST be some problems at the post office...

hope will die at last (or least ;) )

wrote on 22.06.05 at 19:02:19:

and still no answer from the seller of the obsidian S-12

I have a new *unboxed* A-12 AGP that might be up for sale soon, I forgot about it when I picked up a new boxed AGP unit.

Doesn't the S-12 have the same pass-thru cable as the 100SB ??

And the AGP card takes a Medusa right?

wrote on 22.06.05 at 22:29:21:

I have a new *unboxed* A-12 AGP that might be up for sale soon, I forgot about it when I picked up a new boxed AGP unit.

no thanks... i'll wait some days more... cause i only payed 4,99GBP for it...

I hav
wrote on 22.06.05 at 23:37:23:

Doesn't the S-12 have the same pass-thru cable as the 100SB ?? And the AGP card takes a Medusa right?

Correct.

today the seller of the obisidian S-12 wrote me an email... he wrote that the put the wrong adress on the package ::) Now he will send it to me again... i told him in big fat letters that he should use AIRMAIL  >:(

hmm yeah at least it's on it's way, maybe he can't afford AirMail, so therefore the normal way. I would do the same, it saves like 40 euro's.

no airmail from england to germany only costs around 5GBP... and thats what i payed the seller for shipping costs...

believe me or not, i still hope that i will get my 5000

Glad to hear the S-12 is not lost. There is a guy here in the States that has been successful selling new boxed versions for a little over $100.00 USD. I would say you got a really good deal.

Time will tell on the 5000. Did you get a refund on that one yet?

yes i got refund for the 5000...

wrote on 25.06.05 at 14:07:43:

today the seller of the obisidian S-12 wrote me an email... he wrote that the put the wrong adress on the package ::) Now he will send it to me again... i told him in big fat letters that he should use AIRMAIL  >:(

TM30,

Any news on the S-12?

It has been awhile. I thought if it went by airmail you might have it by now.

yeah its here. but its not the pictured card... its a fukkin one of a million Skywell Magic 3D 2

That Voodoo5 5000 PCI, hasn't come in yet, well maybe rather logic, it's just impossible that someone would sell it under 30 euro's.

But the difference between a Skywell Magic 3D II and a S12 AGP is rather big, maybe the seller didn't know the difference. Maybe you should of informed at first and then go for it afterall, hence you allready done that, then it's just dumb luck.

Quote:

But the difference between a Skywell Magic 3D II and a S12 AGP is rather big,

I would be mad >:( But I have a thing about Quantum3D cards. I have more Q3d than 3dfx.

It's not the money thing. It's that you got all excited and the waiting, all to be let down.

Yeah, I would be mad >:(

So would I, even I would want to challenge the sellen in a Light Saber duel, no this is still insane, unless TM30 didn't inform the seller if it is really an S12, TM30 did you ask for pics also?

ridicoulus... i got more stuff for you: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5201817902&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

i also won this, i asked the seller if the picture is the actual item... he said yes...

i got it, and guess what, yehaaaw a one of a million voodoo 3 3500 (with tuner, passive cooler...)

and guess now, it also came from Great Britan. Thats 3 crappy auctions from GB in only lets say 1 to 2 months...

and no... i didn't plant bombs anywhere...

yeaaah i know i shouldn't have made jokes about that, but  3 dissapointments after all from Great Britain makes me very angry....

wrote on 09.07.05 at 21:20:42:

ridicoulus... i got more stuff for you: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5201817902&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT i also won this, i asked the seller if the picture is the actual item... he said yes...

You *were* warned when you showed the picture it was taken from Sharky Extreme, why be surprised now?

The description alone would have been enough to make me steer clear.

128 MB, DVI, 8x AGP huh?

shut up...

take it easy, it's only a piece of PCB afterall, stop loos'n your mind laddie, it's not your life you're loos'n!

wrote on 09.07.05 at 21:48:45:

You *were* warned when you showed the picture it was taken from Sharky Extreme, why be surprised now? The description alone would have been enough to make me steer clear. 128 MB, DVI, 8x AGP huh?

Indeed, there are at least 4 faults in the auction. The seller said the card has a TV-Out, but look at the picture : No TV-Out.
Then : 128MB, DVI, AGP 8x  ::)

The seller is also talking about Voodoo 3 3500.

When looking at the auction it is one big mess and that makes it unreliable.

I had several auctions which I never received, which we're different or we're closed before the auction ended.
It's very frustrating, but try to live with it. The world isn't as sweet as it sometimes looks like  ::)

wrote on 09.07.05 at 21:59:32:

shut up...

Remember what I said about lying to yourself- that way leads to madness.

Don't be pissed off at me for pointing out the truth.

Somewhat understandable though, I'd hate that happen to me once, let alone three times :P

Anyway, I'm sure (with being such an active Collector) better times will follow and there'll be the one or other nice new aquisition to show :)

Just don't let yourself down over it, bad luck always tends to come in loads, but eventually has to yield to success coming back sooner or later !

yes, some auctions are just rediculous.

they dont really know what are they selling.
So its a fact and we just need to be more careful

fact that u did not pay a bomb for it,
I dont see why u should even get really angry.

yeah you are right Edmund, he got his refund anyways so there are like worse things in this harsh world.

Well I don't know about you guys but I can relate to his feeling. When I got ripped off from broadcastsupplies on that 100SB-4400V. although it was a lot of money. The thing that pi$$ed me off the most was that the guy ripped me off. The money was secondary. I waited over a month only to recieve a X-24. Then to add insult to injury, I was told to return it for a full refund, which I did. Then I got nothing. It was only that I could prove to ebay that I returned the item that I got part of a refund. The rest of the satisfaction was when I filed a fraud complaint and NEG'ed the guy.

So I can relate to TM30's feelings. You get excited when you win, then later your let down because you find out in the in it was a sham and you were ripped off.

I felt that sinking feeling, I would not wish that on anyone here as I consider all of you guy here my friends.

I would ask that you take it easy on TM30 if anything, he needs our support during this run of bad luck.

There are better times ahead for all of us. As Obi-Wan_Kenobi would say, The force is with us.

I see your point gamma,
I know... at the end of the day,
it leaves the least significants for us members here on the forum.
And sometime to get into a heated talk just isn't worth it.

We all know that, but the person who initializes it should think twice before posting something nasty..

I mean we are all very greatful that the moderators aren't banning or locking threads based on its nature.
so thats about as good as it gets and really...

as adults, we should keep things in order
just the way I see it. Obviously if u get blasted on a thread, you tend to retaliate if u disagree..

there are good times and there are less good times, but the Force Will Always Be With Us poeple, ofcourse it isn't nice what happened, but let's not make it too serious, it happened and we must move on now, there will be better times TM30 don't worry lad.

wrote on 09.07.05 at 21:20:42:

and guess now, it also came from Great Britan. Thats 3 crappy auctions from GB in only lets say 1 to 2 months...

I don't care where you buy your cards from, you are always vulnerable to problem-riddled auctions.  The fact that some sellers are not as clued up about 3dfx products as we are, is not there fault.  We have to give them some slack, as they may no absolutely nothing about any computer components, let alone a 3dfx-specific graphics card.  It's your job to be more inquisitive before you bid, and also assure yourself, you know what you are buying, without the assurance of others.

Like Gary said, you saw the title of the auction you bid on.  Any other 3dfx seller would be dubious of it.  Maybe this is a lack of 3dfx expertise on your part then.  :-/


Quote:

and no... i didn't plant bombs anywhere... yeaaah i know i shouldn't have made jokes about that, but  3 dissapointments after all from Great Britain makes me very angry....

Frankly, I am well pissed off at you for this.  This is no joke whatsoever, and you should not have even thought about posting this, even if you admit yourself it was a joke.  >:(
How does the awful tragedy of what happened in London, compare to your disappointment over 3 graphics cards.  You seriously need to grow up and take a realistic look on life!

And of all people, how dare you post such a comment, given your nation's background history, you should be the first to be watch your words carefully, be mindful of what's happened and have sympathy to those who fell victim to the atrocities.  Along with this comment and your anger for GB sellers of 3dfx cards, your state of thinking seems somewhat pathetic and primitive, as it doesn't seem to have left the era of the 1940's.

You are obviously a bad apple in the bunch, as all your other fellow patriots do not seem to post to such similar disrespectful methods as you do.  This means you let them down too.  >:(

And for anyone who understands his anger towards his unsuccessfull auctions, I'm sorry, but I do not appease with such sentiment, since his prior faux pax on the bombings simply overrules such felt sympathy.

Yesterday was yet another great day in London and for the rest of Britain and the World, as we celebrated a combination of ceremonies in the 60th anniversary of VE and VJ day.  A celebration of ridding the world of evil and tyranny 60 years ago.  Today, we continue that same quest against the cowardly actions of spineless terrorists that don't have the nerve to face us like men.  However, once again, we will succeed in ridding the world of these bastards.

Hmm...

Whenever a topic is drifting into politics, I start having a very bad feeling about it, all this is definitely headed the wrong way.

Because if were all to start posting about what we think about the recent events (here and in the world), we'd probably start killing each other in no time :p

@everyone
Please cool off and let go of this discussion, it is just leading to nowhere.

yeah...let us talk about 3dfx cards! use PM or email for this sub-topic please...

i DO NOT want to be reminded every day what happened 60 years ago...so do me a favor and use other ways of communication!

@Chosen_one - You say all you want to talk about is 3dfx cards .. fine! But then you make your intentions pretty clear about 60 years ago?  Why?  You know your post will bring some sort of reaction.  All I want to talk about is 3dfx, without having to listen to jokes being made about those who suffered in London.

There would have been no political discussion if unamusing jibes aren't made in the first place.  The best thing to do is make sure these comments don't arise in the forum.
There are many posts on this forum that get removed by the admins for far less insulting comments, than those that are raised to make jokes about other peoples suffering and misery.
It should be made sure that they don't make it onto the forum in the first place, otherwise they are bound to spark ill-feeling, disputes and retaliation that are off-topic to what the admins would like to keep the discussion on track of what is necessary.

I agree that joke was a bit uncalled for and certainly occured not quite at the right moment/place.

Still, bare in mind that every single day, a hundredfold more people die a silent, unspectacular death all over the world, from lack of water, lack of food or simple diseases.

Almost noone cares about these, their death goes unnoticed, which (at least for me) puts alot of things in our beatiful modern world into perspective.

I agree with you on that, and this is why I wear my Make Poverty History band with pride, and do what I can to help.

However, we haven't been joking about these situations have we?

What happened in the UK was terrible and if there is any justice the SAS will be paying those responsible a visit in the night.

@everyone, lets get back on subject. Someone made a tasteless comment, now move on. Making further remarks about what happened long before any of us were born isn't constructive either.

well, that does it, now more and more members are being sucked into getting offended.

so much for having luck of the german eh.

we're still on track with rare voodoo cards sold for a cheap price and seller's aren't shipping them correctly ;)

::)    ::)    ::)    ::)

in short taking a risk for a deal too good to be true.
I see nothing wrong with that especially when the penalty is just that sum of money  ;D

wrote on 11.07.05 at 15:38:08:

Making further remarks about what happened long before any of us were born isn't constructive either.

No they're not are they? But then again, they wouldn't have to be made if "tasteless" comments were kept off the boards.
I'm just stating the fact that the comments made seem to come from an era some of us, by the looks of it, are trying to forget.

@Gary - Weren't your words once:
"If we forget the past, we're doomed to repeat it"?

wrote on 11.07.05 at 18:32:54:

No they're not are they?

Then that is the end of it.

Everyone has been warned by both admins, make it private or elseware.

"If we forget the past, we're doomed to repeat it"

Sure was- Linking TM30 with what happened in Germany 60 years ago is about constructive as implying I should watch my mouth due to slavery in the states 100+ years ago.

Like me holding you accountable for the British rise to empire, which was bathed in bloody hands as well.

Holding a grudge to someone for something that happen outside their past history is rediculous.

wrote on 11.07.05 at 15:38:08:

What happened in the UK was terrible and if there is any justice the SAS will be paying those responsible a visit in the night.

lol the US Army didn't even find Bin Laden... incapable. and even if they will bomb everything away, they will get payback. these guys should stay in their own country.

so please stop writing your patriotic crap...

the happenings in GB were only a matter of time after Sept. 11


just my 2 cents. free country. free options.

so now go bashing me...  ::)

wrote on 11.07.05 at 19:03:29:

"If we forget the past, we're doomed to repeat it" Sure was- Linking TM30 with what happened in Germany 60 years ago is about constructive as implying I should watch my mouth due to slavery in the states 100+ years ago.

My referral to your words was a general statement for us all to remember the entire course of history, not aimed or implied at anyone or anything. My post makes no intention towards such remarks. Read again.


Quote:

Like me holding you accountable for the British rise to empire, which was bathed in bloody hands as well.

And who's implying again?  ::)


Quote:

Holding a grudge to someone for something that happen outside their past history is rediculous.

Who said anyone was holding a grudge?  Maybe you have something you'd like to get off of your chest Gary?


wrote on 11.07.05 at 19:29:05:

so now go bashing me...  ::)

Gladly.  ;)

Nice to see this sort of crap get's tolerated. Figures.

wrote on 11.07.05 at 19:29:05:

lol the US Army didn't even find Bin Laden... incapable. and even if they will bomb everything away, they will get payback. these guys should stay in their own country. so please stop writing your patriotic crap...

Guess what? 2 people suspended for not knowing when to quit when warned.

Your ignorance is astounding, the SAS is a BRITISH service, not an American one.

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