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Reply #15 - 27.08.06 at 08:50:15
 
So basically what was discussed before was that since a single chip V4 was able to be upgraded to 64 megs, if someone were to get the same speed memory chips but double the amount, it should theoretically be able to handle 128 megs instead of 64? When the V4 was upgraded, did it require a bios hack to recognize the added 32 megs or was it just a swap and it worked?
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Reply #16 - 27.08.06 at 11:32:09
 
VSA-100 supports a maximum of 64MB.
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Reply #17 - 27.08.06 at 17:16:30
 
right, so based on that, you could put a 128 megs on a V5 (64 for each chip) and have it work then correct? If one were to find the right match up for memory.
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Reply #18 - 28.08.06 at 14:58:56
 
Edited later today:
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So basically what was discussed before was that since a single chip V4 was able to be upgraded to 64 megs, if someone were to get the same speed memory chips but double the amount, it should theoretically be able to handle 128 megs instead of 64? When the V4 was upgraded, did it require a bios hack to recognize the added 32 megs or was it just a swap and it worked?

A BIOS hack was required for the Voodoo4 in order to make use of the all 64Mb RAM (credits to Mikulaish) and another type of BIOS change should be required for the Voodoo5 after upgrading the memory.
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right, so based on that, you could put a 128 megs on a V5 (64 for each chip) and have it work then correct? If one were to find the right match up for memory.

It's not that easy; after you un-solder the RAM from the Voodoo5 and from the 2 donor cards, and then after you solder the double-sized RAM on the 3DFX PCB you will still need to do some hard-wire with additional lines because the 4M x 32 chips have a slight different pinout (you have to connect 1 suplementar adress line from each RAM chip) and you might need to do a BIOS hack too.
Quick example: The K4S283232E memory chips from Samsung are perfect candidates for swaping the RAM of a Voodoo5. 16Mb with 32bits per chip, 86 pins TSOP (II) SDRAM, the same as the 8Mb/32bits K4S643232C Samsung chips that we have on many VSA-100 cards by default, but with double capacity. And the pinout is compatible, so you could solder them on our 3DFX cards, all but with 1 exception: see on the datasheets that the orriginal RAM chips have at pin 21 the NC (no connection) and the PCB has no trace there to use the pin, but the memory chips we want (and we need for having 64Mb per each VSA-100) have at pin 21 the line A11 (adress line). In conclusion, you need to solder 1 wire to pin 21 as a PCB trace replacement to make proper use of the extension of RAM.
Back here in Romania I had the opportunity once to buy the ideal doner cards for this job (they were 2 nVidia Quadro's with SDRAM, 4 chips, 64Mb) but It was anything but cheap (40 euro for 1 piece). Maybe someone else here can get the RAM and perform the modding...
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Re: Regarding faster memory
Reply #19 - 31.12.06 at 16:05:56
 
The K4S283232E memory chips from Samsung seems to be the perfect candidate for the 128Mb Voodoo5 5500 Projekt, and why not ..for the 256 Mb Voodoo5 6000 Projekt !
Regarding the unconnected Pin, A11...found this picture in an italian Thread forumdeluxe.it.
Enjoy...

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5082/2003221215718ramqs1.jpg

Did somebody try to get this memory ?
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Reply #20 - 01.01.07 at 02:03:55
 
Anyone know what this 'fix' does? ???
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Reply #21 - 01.01.07 at 04:25:18
 
Hmm... Maybe a question for Hank, Unless Gary knows??
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Reply #22 - 01.01.07 at 06:32:34
 
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

Some one asked me if larger memory could be added to V5.

So I took the Napalm chips off, and traced down address 11 for DRAM. It is not hooked up on the PCB. it must be manually added.

Those are the instructions for hook-up.  Grin

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Reply #23 - 01.01.07 at 18:35:39
 
Thanks Hank Grin
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Reply #24 - 02.01.07 at 03:37:06
 
Ah right! So it's only needed if you attach larger RAM chips... Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - 02.01.07 at 09:55:20
 
Now the only problem remain to find this memory's.
Anyway, good that we have the schematics  Grin

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Reply #26 - 03.01.07 at 01:10:44
 
Hmm...

It would be kind of nice to have the only V6K with 256MB...

We have seen success with bumping the 32MB V4 to 64MB...


Hmm... The risk is high the the reward great 8)

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Reply #27 - 10.01.07 at 16:09:01
 
only would 4 VSA-100's have a positive potential to the extra added 32MB per chip?

I wonder that sometimes, maybe that the Barton 3000+ isn't fast enough to give the maximal glory to the V6K it's self.

we see the same idea's with 256Meg X1950 Pro AGP's and 512Meg X1950 Pro AGP's the difference is very small orsay hardly noticeable.

Maybe the reason why 3dfx went for 32 Meg per VSA instead of 64.
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Reply #28 - 10.01.07 at 17:55:29
 
Well if you recall when the V5 came out most of the video cards were only 32MB and the 5500 was a whooping 64 and the anounced V6K hoo hoo hoooo!

If it can be done on a 5500 I would think it's possible on a 6000 Undecided
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Reply #29 - 10.01.07 at 19:46:55
 
@ Gamma742

Wait a second a Voodoo5 5500 like a Voodoo 5 6000 has 32MB per chip do remember that the Voodoo 5 6000 has 4x 32MB just because it has an extra of 2 chips, it didn't change the amount per chip, re-read my other post on what I meant why an addition ram of 32MB per chip [they have 32MB per chip now so +32MB extra they would get 64MB [per chip righty Wink].

Here an other example to simplify things.

An ATi X1950 Pro 256 MB AGP [1 GPU with 256MB] compared to a X1950 Pro AGP 512MB [1 GPU with 512MB] isn't the same difference as a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP and Voodoo 5 6000!

Though the Dual X1950 Pro 512 MB [2x 256MB] PCI-E compared to a X1950 Pro 256MB would have the same difference as a 5500 and 6000 since the 256MB card has 1 GPU with 256MB and the Dual X1950 Pro has 2 GPU's with each 256MB.

A 5500 has 2 GPU's with each 32MB a 6000 has 4 GPU's but then again with each 32MB same idea as ATi's X1950 Dual card and single card comparison.

What I was replying to is that it wouldn't make much difference if a 5500 or 6000 would have 64MB per chip instead of 32MB they have now.! Wink
That is what I was aiming at, your post is simply the oppisite Wink

But that it can be done is another thing, if a single VSA-100 can support 64MB like the Voodoo4 4800 does and some modified Voodoo4 4500's do a 5500 and 6000 should be able to do it also, since they make useage of the VSA-100 chips it is most likely they can support 64MB per VSA, theoretically it's shouldn't matter.
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